<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Folks I know who are trans don’t tend to feel this as a choice. This seems similar to me how people tend to experience their sexual orientation: they didn’t choose it, though it’s probably under the influence of many factors. <div><br></div><div>As for gender distinctions, check out:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://youtu.be/I-_NhPt2Xn8">https://youtu.be/I-_NhPt2Xn8</a><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">http://author.to/DanUst</span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:44 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat<br><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] women<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:47 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] women<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">Why are women shorter than men? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill w</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">How do we know they are? Can gender be determined?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…In the vast majority of cases, it can. Intersex and transgender people are, by most estimates, less than 1% of the total population. And in this case Bill is talking in the strict biological sense, not the identity sense (though intersex is still an exception).<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Primitive savage! Anyone is any gender they choose!<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">{8^D<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ja, I know what he meant. I was merely being my snarky self. I so hafta grow up one of these days. Just not today please. Or anytime next week: I have some pre-planned snarkiness.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Society is going to pay the price for struggling to be so inclusive we are forced to include obvious silliness. Sooner or later that is going to put us in head-on collision with the macho societies which still damn well do differentiate between men and women.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Adrian, we haven’t heard from you in a long time and we missed the hell outta ya bud. Hope all is well with yas. You have been the missing ingredient in several discussions here.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>