<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Very good question.</div><div>Any chance we might be able to change this? Could someone break the mold and release the flood of men's fashion change?</div><div>Or do we all not want to change?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 5:40 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">males are almost always much more flamboyant than females, but it's not true for our own species. John Clark</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Au contraire - you are thinking of the era of the dowdy suit for men, a fashion that should have died long ago, and the tie with it. There is plenty of evidence that men have been dandies and clothes horses in past centuries. 16th century for sure for men was very ornate clothing and colors and lace and stockings......Fops, Cavaliers in particular</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Today women want men in tuxes, which are nearly all alike. Why? Because otherwise the men might show up in clothes competing with or even outshining the women. I would. I love clothes with patterns and colors, particularly yellow. I would have made a great dandy. A Cavalier or a fop. Big fancy feathers and purple hose. I envy women who can wear anything and be accepted. But wear something foppish and you get called queer.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:large"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 4:38 PM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">From the antlers of elk to the plumage of birds to the coloration of fish, males are almost always much more flamboyant than females, but it's not true for our own species. When I Googled "business women's pant suit" I got images of women in hot pink</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fae01.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHTB18jyMluGSBuNjSspbq6AiipXao.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2FNew-Hot-Pink-Business-Women-Pants-Suit-Custom-Size-Ladies-Wedding-Dinner-Prom-Outfit-2-Pcs%2F32863886571.html&tbnid=ZXMMu4THqzVHOM&vet=12ahUKEwi89O_41LjmAhWNUawKHSY4Bc8QMygiegUIARCzAg..i&docid=vqVebmPTsRszAM&w=800&h=1394&q=business%20women%27s%20pant%20suit&ved=2ahUKEwi89O_41LjmAhWNUawKHSY4Bc8QMygiegUIARCzAg" target="_blank"><font size="4">Hot Pink</font></a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">And bright red</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a href="https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalleeblonde.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F12%2Fholiday-season-work-day-outfit-1440x2160.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalleeblonde.com%2F2018%2F12%2Fwhat-to-wear-work-today-womens-red-pant-suit-holiday-giveaway.html&tbnid=n5onKC7e60t8JM&vet=12ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyg1egUIARDvAg..i&docid=8AQqlxjksQ5yeM&w=1440&h=2160&q=working%20women%27s%20pant%20suit&ved=2ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyg1egUIARDvAg" target="_blank">Bright Red</a> </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">And vivid Yellow</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbecomechic.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FStylish-Womens-Suits-For-Work-4.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbecomechic.com%2Fstylish-womens-pant-suits-for-work%2F&tbnid=vCj_9P3HmtslwM&vet=12ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyhAegUIARCFAw..i&docid=hoBKUw2w7AgsaM&w=633&h=949&q=working%20women%27s%20pant%20suit&ved=2ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyhAegUIARCFAw" target="_blank"><font size="4">Vivid Yellow</font></a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I can't imagine a male IBM executive showing up to a meeting in a hot pink suit even if he had a standard black tie. But why not?</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></div>
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