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<div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 6:22 PM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> In the present however, I am displeased about the instances where an<br></div><div dir="ltr">> activist trans-sexual ideology results in harm to children. There have been<br></div><div dir="ltr">> cases where deranged parents, often single parents, collaborated with<br></div><div dir="ltr">> unethical physicians and psychiatrists to mutilate children, often boys,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> first by pressuring or manipulating them to express a desire for sex<br></div><div dir="ltr">> change, and then proceeding to perform irreversible surgeries, including<br></div><div dir="ltr">> castration.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Adrian replied: Do you have literally any documented evidence of this? There are a number<br></div><div dir="ltr">of people who make up claims like this, wholesale, and trick others into<br></div><div dir="ltr">believing them - but every time I've seen claims like this investigated,<br></div><div dir="ltr">the alleged evil either did not happen, or was extremely different than was<br></div><div dir="ltr">stated.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm not saying you're lying. I'm saying that your language fits the<br></div><div dir="ltr">pattern of someone who has been duped into believing one of these tales, so<br></div><div dir="ltr">hard evidence would be needed to believe what you're saying here.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">And here's my reply (which I don't know how many of you will see, as extropy-chat tends to eat replies from yahoo)</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> Here in the UK we have a charity called Mermaids that supports children with gender dysphoria and its families. It has attracted headlines for its approach, it has quite a big media profile and in turn has attracted a lot of criticism from people concerned about Mermaids. Things got so heated that a judge had to ban its chief executive Susie Green and catholic journalist Caroline Farrow from mentioning each other by name on Twitter.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Susie Green took her child to the US to get hormone treatments at an age below that allowed in the UK. She also took her child to Thailand for gender reassignment surgery at the age of 16, which is two years below the legal limit in the UK. This case was sufficiently controversial that Thailand promptly brought in new laws to prevent under 18s having this surgery and requiring 18-20 year olds to have parental consent.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Here's an article hosted by Forbes written from an anti-Mermaids perspective that gives plenty of links for its assertions:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianvigo/2018/12/27/pseudo-scientific-hokum-and-the-experimentation-on-childrens-bodies/#162b35591167" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="enhancr_card_6733345357">Pseudo-Scientific Hokum And The Experimentation On Children's Bodies</a></span><div><br></div><div id="ydp8dd37609enhancr_card_6733345357" class="ydp8dd37609yahoo-link-enhancr-card ydp8dd37609ymail-preserve-class ydp8dd37609ymail-preserve-style" style="max-width:400px;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" data-url="https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianvigo/2018/12/27/pseudo-scientific-hokum-and-the-experimentation-on-childrens-bodies/#162b35591167" data-type="YENHANCER" data-size="MEDIUM" contenteditable="false"><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/julianvigo/2018/12/27/pseudo-scientific-hokum-and-the-experimentation-on-childrens-bodies/#162b35591167" style="text-decoration:none !important;color:#000 !important" class="ydp8dd37609yahoo-enhancr-cardlink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table border="0" class="ydp8dd37609card-wrapper ydp8dd37609yahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="max-width:400px"><tbody><tr><td width="400"><table border="0" class="ydp8dd37609card ydp8dd37609yahoo-ignore-table" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224, 228, 233);border-radius:2px"><tbody><tr><td class="ydp8dd37609card-primary-image-cell" background="https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/qWgPbqD5S2SnGBK9pQlhjA--~A/Zmk9ZmlsbDt3PTQwMDtoPTIwMDthcHBpZD1pZXh0cmFjdA--/https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/600x315/https%3A%2F%2Fspecials-images.forbesimg.com%2Fdam%2Fimageserve%2F1085350524%2F960x0.jpg%3Ffit%3Dscale.cf.jpg" bgcolor="#000000" valign="top" height="175" style="background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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line-height: 19px; margin: 0px 0px 6px; font-family: Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);">Pseudo-Scientific Hokum And The Experimentation On Children's Bodies</h2><p class="ydp8dd37609card-richinfo-primary" style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0 0 4px 0;color:#979ba7">Julian Vigo</p><p class="ydp8dd37609card-description" style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(151, 155, 167);">How did a Disney character come to be part of paradoxical basis for convincing people that a child can be born i...</p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div>Tom</div><div><br></div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div>
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