<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Yeah I'll buy all of that, but what does a man's status have to do with suits and ties?  And why the hell won't it change?  One point:  there are men who are just as concerned about having a monogamous relationship as many women.  As a younger man, I was subjected to prejudice when I was not in the market for one night stands, which it was assumed I was (and they would not take NO for any answer!)    bill w  (glad to see you back, Tara)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:39 PM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div>I think the answer lies in the question: what do women want? Why would they need to compete with other women for the attention of men? </div><div><br></div><div>Men compete for multiple short term partners, but women compete for long term investors (husbands). </div><div><br></div><div>Among species where males invest in child care, the females can be both flamboyant and feisty. (Think sea horses.) In species where both partners contribute equal amounts, they are hard to tell apart. (Think penguins). In our species, women advertise fertility (beauty) and men advertise long term investment (status, wealth, property). To some extent, both men and women advertise the same features that make for good parents: intelligence, kindness and a sense of humor.</div><div><br></div><div>Tara Maya</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 15, 2019, at 2:35 PM, John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">From the antlers of elk to the plumage of birds to the coloration of fish, males are almost always much more flamboyant than females, but it's not true for our own species. When I Googled "business women's pant suit" I got images of women in hot pink</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fae01.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHTB18jyMluGSBuNjSspbq6AiipXao.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2FNew-Hot-Pink-Business-Women-Pants-Suit-Custom-Size-Ladies-Wedding-Dinner-Prom-Outfit-2-Pcs%2F32863886571.html&tbnid=ZXMMu4THqzVHOM&vet=12ahUKEwi89O_41LjmAhWNUawKHSY4Bc8QMygiegUIARCzAg..i&docid=vqVebmPTsRszAM&w=800&h=1394&q=business%20women%27s%20pant%20suit&ved=2ahUKEwi89O_41LjmAhWNUawKHSY4Bc8QMygiegUIARCzAg" target="_blank"><font size="4">Hot Pink</font></a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">And bright red</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><a href="https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalleeblonde.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F12%2Fholiday-season-work-day-outfit-1440x2160.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.legalleeblonde.com%2F2018%2F12%2Fwhat-to-wear-work-today-womens-red-pant-suit-holiday-giveaway.html&tbnid=n5onKC7e60t8JM&vet=12ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyg1egUIARDvAg..i&docid=8AQqlxjksQ5yeM&w=1440&h=2160&q=working%20women%27s%20pant%20suit&ved=2ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyg1egUIARDvAg" target="_blank">Bright Red</a> </font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">And vivid Yellow</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbecomechic.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2FStylish-Womens-Suits-For-Work-4.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbecomechic.com%2Fstylish-womens-pant-suits-for-work%2F&tbnid=vCj_9P3HmtslwM&vet=12ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyhAegUIARCFAw..i&docid=hoBKUw2w7AgsaM&w=633&h=949&q=working%20women%27s%20pant%20suit&ved=2ahUKEwjc-6KO07jmAhUFiqwKHZuhCDkQMyhAegUIARCFAw" target="_blank"><font size="4">Vivid Yellow</font></a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I can't imagine a male IBM executive showing up to a meeting in a hot pink suit even if he had a standard black tie. But why not?</font></div><div style="font-family:arial,helve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