<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">All good points about “access consciousness”
vs “sensation” and “AI” vs “AGI”. That’s
why at Canonizer.com we always work to build and track the current consensus around
the best terms to use, and we use whatever that is. Also, many terms like “red” and “access” are
problematic because they are ambiguous.
You can’t tell if ‘red’ is a label for the physical properties of a
target of perception, like a strawberry, or knowledge of the same, the final
result of perception. So, we define two
words: “red” for the initial and “redness” for the final. Currently AI is very narrow, not
general. So, in at least in some cases,
you need two words so one can distinguish between these two.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Finally, with Access, you can’t tell
if Ned Block or others are talking about having immediate conscious awareness access
to something, like redness, as a quality of knowledge of a strawberry. Or are they referring to any of the near
infinite memories and things like “red is a warm color”, and the name “red, or
anything else one has “access” to. You
obviously aren’t thinking of all of these at once, though you have access to, or
an ability to bring them all into the phenomenal computationally bound CPU
system that is conscious awareness.</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:30 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4">My pet peeve is the move to change the term for a smart computer from AI to AGI. Everybody knows what AI means but if somebody uses a unfamiliar term like AGI you may think they're talking about Adjusted Gross Income and become hopelessly confused and wonder what the hell that has to do with the future of computing. </font></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You're still on about that?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This is silly as arguing they shouldn't be called "devices" because they're already called "phones" (or "cell phones" for those dinosaurs) - yeah, they're in the same family but the distinction evolved because there is some nuance the old moniker fails to capture. In the phone/ device example you probably didn't have a browser or games/apps on your "flip phone" but those are assumed features of your "device" (which also includes tablets/etc/ whatever)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You are also smart enough to use context to know machine learning nerds aren't discussing Adjusted Gross Income. Even if you aren't familiar with an acronym, you can educate yourself on the meaning and context in far less effort than it takes to contain about how one word has always been sufficient for your discussion on the topic so there is no need to adopt new. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now, you did refer to it as a peeve so maybe you don't feel as strongly about it as all that... but I've often wondered why you dig your heels in there and not in so many other language developments in other domains. *shrug* y'know?</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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