<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 at 02:07, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Statish,<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">My prediction is that very soon
after experimentalists start doing observation of the physics in the brain in a
non-qualia blind way, they will discover which of all their descriptions of
physics are a description of redness.
This will also include the discovery of how computational binding of
redness and greenness is physically achieved.
This will falsify functionalism, as nobody will ever be able to produce a
redness experience, in a substrate independent way, and it will never be
possible to do computational binding on any such functional redness and greenness, as required to have </span><span style="font-size:16px">composite</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> qualitative </span><span style="font-size:16px">conscious</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> experiences.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Your way of thinking is both not </span><span style="font-size:16px">falsifiable</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> and not verifiable, resulting in the impossibly hard problems Chalmers has become famous four claiming exist.</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A logical argument can be valid whether or not the premises are true:</div><div><br></div><div>"If all men are mortal and Socrates is a man, then Socrates is mortal". This is true whether or not in fact all men are mortal and whether or not Socrates is a man. If you challenge it, you have to challenge the logic.</div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div></div>