<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Regarding the question of ownership, it seems it’s leased by the University of Hawaii and owned by the state. I see the protesters don’t recognize the authority and/or process under which ownership happened. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/how-world-s-largest-solar-telescope-rose-maui-while-nearby-protests-derailed-larger">https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/how-world-s-largest-solar-telescope-rose-maui-while-nearby-protests-derailed-larger</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 16px; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">“Mauna Kea also poses a bigger management challenge for the University of Hawaii. The science reserve on the Mauna Kea summit spans nearly 5000 hectares—an area more than 650 times larger than Maui’s compact Science City. “If someone is not happy with the management of Mauna Kea, it falls directly on the university,” Hasinger says. “On </span><span class="s1" style="font-size: 16px; box-sizing: inherit; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">Haleakalā</span><span style="font-size: 16px; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Roboto, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> we only have the small area of Science City. The rest is managed by the national park.” And although the university owns Science City, its preserve on Mauna Kea is a lease, which means it is subject to state audits.“</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Dec 28, 2019, at 6:45 AM, ddraig--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 at 00:53, John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:54 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>the emotions at play are a HUGE part of anti-science sentiment. The other factor is ignorance.</i></div></div></blockquote><br><font size="4">I agree, and recent events have made me see more clearly how strongly our culture has moved in the anti-science/pro-ignorance direction, the tendency even shows up on the Extropian List which you'd expect to be fiercely pro-science/anti-ignorance, and at one time it certainly was but no more. Since my last post on this subject there have been 3 responses and all of them criticized me for being too logical and all of them empathised with the ignorant anti-science mob, not one of them empathised with the astronomers who not only could no longer do their work of finding out more about the universe but actually feared for their lives.</font><br clear="all"></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ummm, no, we're saying that if you ignore the emotions of the people who OWN THE LAND of course your project will fail. I think the telescope should be built. I think people freaking out over invisible sky beings is stupid. <br><br><br></div><div>I am not, however, in control of that mountain. It's basic politics.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dwayne<br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:ddraig@pobox.com" target="_blank">ddraig@pobox.com</a> <a href="http://irc.bluesphereweb.com" target="_blank">irc.bluesphereweb.com</a> #dna<br> ...r.e.t.u.r.n....t.o....t.h.e....s.o.u.r.c.e...<br> <a href="http://fav.me/dqkgpd" target="_blank">http://fav.me/dqkgpd</a><a href="http://tinyurl.com/he-is-right-you-know-jpg" target="_blank"></a><br>our aim is wakefulness, our enemy is dreamless sleep</div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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