<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 8:43 PM <a href="mailto:ddraig@pobox.com" target="_blank">ddraig@pobox.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ddraig@gmail.com" target="_blank">ddraig@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Are you stupid? </i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">I don't know, it could be. Stupid people generally don't know they're stupid, but if I am stupid I'm certainly not as stupid as the mob that ILLEGALLY blocked the only road up that mountain to prevent the most wonderful telescope in the world from being built. I'm not as stupid as those who feel it is their duty to stick up for that mindless mob either.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><font size="4"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span> am I wasting my time with this guy?</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Yes. So will you go away now?</font></div></div><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>What you ARE willing to do is to cut out the next line (there were, what, 3 of them in total?) where I said I agree with you.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">That line was about property rights and implied that landowners have the right to do whatever they want with their land including not allowing telescopes to be built there. I cut off that line because I did not wish to debate it, and I did not wish to debate it because it is IRRELEVANT. Every court decision has ruled that the mob does NOT own that land. Of course in the end the law and court decisions proved to be irrelevant too.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><font size="4">And in no shape way or form do you agree with me. Every defender of that evil ignorant anti-science anti-enlightenment mob has the same basic mantra, "it would be nice if the telescope could be built <b>BUT</b> ..."  <br></font><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>So you understand that it's apolitcal problem, not a sceince problem (or a legal problem, it seems).</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I understand it's a criminal problem, and I understand that the criminals have won.</font></div><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span>If they had not that telescope would be generating new knowledge about the universe for the entire human race right now, but that didn't happen because the mob successfully transmitted their ignorance worshiping meme.</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Welcome to politics.</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="4">That's not politics that's just crime. And I do NOT welcome the </font></font><font size="4">ignorance worshiping meme that infected the mob even if I grudgingly admire its skill at rapid reproduction. I don't welcome people who feel it is their duty to defend those infected with that meme eother. </font></div><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span>The P word implies the rule of law</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span><i>No, it does not at all.  The American Revolution was illegal. </i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><font size="4">Illegal under one set of laws and legal or even mandatory under other sets. The very first thing the American Revolutionaries did was set up their own laws and build gallows so they could hang people who violated those rules, it's the same with every revolution. But the only law the mob on that mountain follows is "if I say I own something then I own it and it doesn't matter what you or the courts or anybody else says about it".</font><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I feel I am missing something here. </i></blockquote><div><br></div></span><font size="4"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Led</span> you to the truth <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">your</span> instinctive feelings have Padawan<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">.</span></font><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><font color="#6a6a6a" face="Roboto, arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><b><br></b></span></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>I generally lurk on this list and don't read it that often</i></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I think such a long tradition should be honored and continue.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div></div></div></div>