<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Yes, an important thing is “how many
different types of labels there are.”</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But if “The ‘red’ label IS the
qualia”, which physical qualia, um, I mean, which physical quality are we talking:
glutamate or glycine?</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Or are you just pointing out that
you are still qualia blind (or just saying quine[means ignore] </span><span style="font-size:16px">qualia</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> forever), and proud of it, after all they are all </span><span style="font-size:16px">functionally</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> the same right?</span></font></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Star Wars Spoiler alert:</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Not that I think being proud of it
is a bad thing.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">At the end I think Ray shouldn’t
have said she is “Ray Skywalker.”</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">She should have said I’m Ray Palpatine,
and proud of it.</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:28 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 3:33 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Red” is a label we give to something that reflects or emits red light.  It is elemental “redness” that we are talking about.</i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I agree "red" is a label but the label <b>IS</b> the qualia and the number of different types of labels you have available determines how many different colors you can experience. If you only had 1 type you'd be completely blind, if you had 2 types you'd see everything in black and white, or red and white it makes no difference because your objective behavior would be the same as would your subjective experience.   </font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><i>Redness
is a label for a very different set of elemental physics than “red”.  </i></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">There are many physical, chemical and electronic ways to make labels, but if you're interest is qualia it's not important what particular process wrote the labels, the important thing is how many different types of labels there are. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark </font></div></div></div>
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