<div dir="ltr">I see orange and cyan there, too. Also, a rainbow is a gradient, which your list of words fails to note. There is also no mention of the sky, clouds, or arc of the rainbow, nor of the transparency toward one end.<div><br></div><div>It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words. Exacttness of that measure aside, trying to equate a picture to a very few words is a strawman argument, and as such fails to refute the concept that image qualia can be represented in other forms.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 8:44 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Your wrong, unless you see no difference between this</div><div><div><img src="cid:ii_k4nhwi5j0" alt="image.png" width="318" height="159"><br></div></div><div>and the abstract words "red, yellow, green, purple and blue".</div><div><br></div><div>Notice how I can redefine the words purple and blue.</div><div>You can't redefine your purpleness, and blueness, it just is, and you know that more absolutely than you know anything.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:47 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:43 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 4:29 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">>>>… </span></span><i>In other words, both (255, 0, 0) and "red" are not physically red. You need to point to something and say: "THAT is red" to provide a physical definition to those abstract terms. </i><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">>>…If you're interested in subjectivity, or in gaining understanding of the most basic fundamental nature of anything, not just consciousness, you've got to forget about definitions because ultimately that always leads to circularity, instead you've got to use examples. You point to a ripe tomato and say "That is (255, 0, 0), aka pure red". … John K Clark</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">John K Clark</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] utah: RE: Frank Jackson's brilliant color scientist Mary<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">I think it's only circular if there is only one example. bill w</span></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">The entire discussion has helped me accept what I have long suspected: I am a digital avatar. I “think” only in terms of numbers and equations. You perhaps have heard of that creepy movie where the boy saw dead people, everywhere, walking around. They didn’t even know they are dead. Well, I am his digital counterpart: I see simulated people walking around everywhere. They don’t even know they are software. I didn’t know I was one until the recent qualia discussion. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Be that as it may, I am a really cool avatar. Self-aware I am! (Or should it be “it am?” (It are? (It be?))) Of course it be only digitally simulated self-awareness, but that’s better than none at all.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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