<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">you should get exactly the same sensation and
perception.  bill w</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">That is what I’m trying to say.  So what is it that has that redness quality you
are experiencing as knowledge of the strawberry, even though there is not light and no strawberry?</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:49 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If you surgically remove your eyes,
and are put into a room with no light, then stimulate the optic nerve,
identical to the way it would be when looking at a strawberry.   You would have identical knowledge of the
strawberry.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Technically not identical.  You would know the information comes from a different source.  This may color - pun thoroughly intended - how you treat this information, making the knowledge perhaps less reliable.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">What is that knowledge, and
what is it that has the redness quality you experience?  This can’t be ‘perception’ as that requires
eyes.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Incorrect.  It is entirely possible to perceive via sound, touch, smell, and taste.  If you had other senses, such as a visual-replacement as you describe here, those could perceive too.  Indeed, one might say that the ability to perceive via it is required for a thing to qualify as a "sense". </div></div></div>
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