<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi John,</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Yes, we’ve had this discussion before
where I’ve stressed how important it is to recognize exactly what you are
saying - that memory of red is way different than actual redness knowledge.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But what does that have to do with
having an identical signal being supplied to the optic nerve to what the retina
would supply – resulting in an identical redness experience of the strawberry,
not just a memory quale of it.</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And for that matter, we should also
be asking which physics is it that is the memory of redness quale, and how does
this differ, physically, from actual physical redness.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So, does anyone disagree that
physicists can’t yet tell us the qualitative color of anything?</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:25 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:45 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>So what is it that has that redness quality you
are experiencing as knowledge of the strawberry, even though there is not light and no strawberry?</i></span></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">First of all the memory of a red strawberry is not the same as looking at at red strawberry, the mind can distinguish between the two experiences and it's a good thing too, otherwise when you saw red you'd have no way of knowing if it was because of something you were seeing now or if it came from something you saw a year ago. And if you want to research the redness quilia you can't pretend that it is the only qualia that exists, red is only red because of the way it contrasts with other color qualia.</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> John K Clark</span><br></font><div> </div><div><br></div><br>
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