<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Spike - why don't you get upset with alcohol and tobacco? They kill far, far more people than any illegal drugs do. As for heroin, it takes about two weeks to get addicted to it, so it's hardly fair to say that people are duped into using it. Sure i'ts hard to get off of it, but it's not impossible at all. Crystal meth, now that's a real deadly drug - no argument about that one. Marijuana- safest drug on the planet - even safer than water (how many people have died from dystentery etc. from water?). C'mon, be fair - rant again legal drugs. Tobacco - half a million a year die? Maybe less now. Alcohol - gotta count drunk driving and deaths therefrom. I don't know that data, but it's gotta be tens of thousands. LSD? Maybe Will will kick in here. I imagine the death rate is very low; a few jumping off buildings like Art's 'Kids Say the Darndest Things' son. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I kicked tobacco (two packs a day) and alcohol (a liter a day) without help and not a lot of trouble. But I wanted to - many addicts don't. It's not the fault of the drug, or the drug pusher (and you will never get rid of all of those as the War on Drugs has shown explicitly). This whole thing is about the psychology of the individual - how do we change people to heal themselves of their addictions. That's where the money for research should go. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">This brings up a book like I have not enjoyed in a long time: Richard Grant - American Nomad: covers old west cowboys, Indians, up to modern RV groups, hoboes and train riders and so on. The drug use was incredible. Terrific writer! I am going to read all of his. Check him out.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:09 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_4724580894626975540WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Steinberg via extropy-chat<br><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] state of conflict technology<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…As for addiction, I was addicted to heroin. Been to numerous open-air drug markets and trap houses. Never lived in those places, but I was there a lot.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…The drug markets in particular were eye-opening. Ever seen a line of heroin addicts lined up in broad daylight to get their fix?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Oh Jaysus. Mercy, me lad.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am AGIN it, I tells ya! All of it, all forms of dope, everything, AGIN it! Bad medicine it is. Poison. Toxic to mind, body and spirit.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">OK so we have at least two who know something of the real world, and at least one who hopes he never has to see a line of addicts, for I would struggle to not stroll right up to whoever is doling out that dope and swat the bastard with a baseball bat. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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