<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Please be careful when quoting others... because the way this particular post looks, it might seem like you’re quoting me and not Rafal.<div><br></div><div>In fact, my position is diametrically opposed to his on this issue. In fact, I support police abolition and certainly don’t advocate secret police. Also, it seems like he believes everyone lives in a war zone rather than what history and statistics show: ever decreasing levels of violence and (private) property crime.</div><div><br></div><div>As for your particular differences with him, you must not read the news or look at the data on how the police in the US have very few restraints on their power and, in fact, do kick in doors and shoot unarmed people and their dogs.</div><div><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">http://author.to/DanUst</span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 9, 2020, at 6:35 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><div dir="ltr" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div class="gmail_quote" style=""><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">### Every day when you wake up and notice that your house has not been burglarized and your throat has not been slit by bandits, say thanks to the thin blue line that stands between us and chaotic evil. </div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">I am very thankful to local police, fire departments, etc. To the Army etc. Those things are a very long way from secret police investigating rumors supplied by neighbors by kicking in doorways and terrorizing citizens. We don't have that now because we have a Constitution and other laws. bill w</font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:32 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:23 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I have been in this group for quite some time, but I have not read anything as scary as 'paid killers' and 'secret police'. Just why do we need those? Rafal? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### Every day when you wake up and notice that your house has not been burglarized and your throat has not been slit by bandits, say thanks to the thin blue line that stands between us and chaotic evil. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>You must live in a different universe because statistics seem to show the folks in blue tend to take more, reduce overall freedom, and even have a strong tendency to shoot unarmed people and their dogs.</div><div><br></div><div>As for a secret police, that’s another kettle of fish. Any libertarian who supports secret police seems have misunderstood the whole point of libertarianism: it’s about a just and free society not a prison camp.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px">Regards,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px"><br></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px">Dan</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>