<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:14 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default">>> I can imagine a consciousness existing in a time without a place but not in a place without time.</span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>What do you mean by this exactly? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">I can imagine a consciousness with a deep understanding of number theory and the laws of logic but not know anything about high school geometry or even have the knowledge or the ability to sense that space exists; but a mind needs to be dynamic and change with time, without time a mind couldn't have a train of thought and without that it's not a mind.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> A mind is what a brain does, so a brain in a vat with no sense transducers connected to the outside world would produce a mind that had no knowledge that space even existed, but it would still have a sense of time because it would still experience a sequence of thoughts. A mind like that would exist in only one dimension, time.</font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>I think I may not understand your stance on consciousness as well as I thought. You are a curious one.</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">You are very polite and tactful, I've been called far worse. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div>
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