<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">This is perfectly compatible with libertarianism, which recognizes that</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">prohibition is a failure.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Living near San Francisco, I also recognize that removing all restrictions</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">on dope is also a failure. spike</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Being new to libertarianism long ago, I was in favor of no laws governing what I could put in my mouth, including prescription drugs. Young and foolish, I was. And just too naive about people. There are people of all IQ levels who have no sense at all about abusing their bodies and minds. There are good reasons, I now know, for letting physicians be the gatekeeper re what chemicals we can buy. Maybe you and I could handle just about anything, but most (?) people can't. They would be dying by the millions with free access to prescription drugs and illegal drugs (though there would be no illegal drugs under my youthful plan).</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Some of you know what a pinch hitter is. One of those is my daily dose of pot. </font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Scare tactics don't work. Prohibition doesn't work. You probably have heard of that Mischel study of kids, some of whom waited for a second treat and some wanted it right now, and the later success in life of those who waited. What if this can be learned? Along with other things in life which we should wait for (sex, for one - I would teach and encourage masturbation). This would be teaching emotional control. I am not sure we know just how to do that, but I think we need to learn and teach it to parents and to school kids. I would teach both abstention and moderation. The first is the only cure for those who, when taking a first hit of something, act like it was priming the pump and continue to take more and more until they pass out. No moderation is possible with brains like that. My use of alcohol was a bit like that.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">bill w</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:28 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf Of<br>
Keith Henson via extropy-chat<br>
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Subject: Re: [ExI] state of conflict technology<br>
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<<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I am AGIN it, I tells ya! All of it, all forms of dope, everything, AGIN<br>
it! Bad medicine it is. Poison. Toxic to mind, body and spirit.<br>
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That's rather inconsistent with libertarianism.<br>
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Keith<br>
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On the contrary sir. I didn't say anything about law, or prohibiting anyone<br>
from these things. I unapologetically state my suggestion to leave it all<br>
alone. <br>
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I know there are those who have success with various things, but I also have<br>
lived long enough to know plenty who do not, plenty who have wrecked lives.<br>
I went to my 30th high school reunion, I noted who had passed on. We all<br>
knew who was the doper crowd back in the day, and who was not. I could find<br>
enough representatives of each group to get a statistically significant<br>
result by comparing the groups. In general, the non-dopers do better.<br>
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This is perfectly compatible with libertarianism, which recognizes that<br>
prohibition is a failure.<br>
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Living near San Francisco, I also recognize that removing all restrictions<br>
on dope is also a failure.<br>
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spike<br>
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