<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I don’t disagree, but remember I am not the one pining for ever coercive intrusion into folks’ lives here.<div><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height: normal;"><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><span style="line-height: 20px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height: normal;"><p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">http://author.to/DanUst</span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height: normal;"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2020, at 4:48 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">No, nothing special about disagreement about a concept, except for the people who need help and may not be getting it because of how a concept is or is not applied to them. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 6:31 PM Dan Ust via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">My point remains though: there’s nothing special about disagreement in this area save its impact on policy and public attitudes. I mean there are disagreements over what a concept is, what a word is, what matter is, etc.<div><br></div><div>I agree there’s another problem with behavioral and mental health issues in that social appropriateness and ideology often impinge much more heavily than, say, on things like defining what a concept or what a planet is. But that goes for more concepts than just addiction — as you note.</div><div><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height:normal"><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards,</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Dan</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Sample my Kindle books at:</span></div><div style="line-height:normal"><p style="margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="http://author.to/DanUst" target="_blank">http://author.to/DanUst</a></span></p></div></div></div><div><div style="line-height:normal"></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2020, at 1:58 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am quite sure that government agencies, for one, have definitions of addiction they are forced to use. In medical areas one must have a diagnosis before you can assign a treatment. That doesn't make any of them the only one, the best one, and so on. You could probably accurately say this about any mental health diagnosis - they change over time. Not only that, but the words used are changed, like from 'mental retardation' (which itself was a change from 'idiot, imbecile, moron') to 'developmental dysfunction' or something like that. bill </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I’m not sure that’s so. That there’s contention over an idea doesn’t mean one can’t offer up a working definition or even stipulate one. I hardly think there’s any field where this isn’t some disagreement about concepts, including basic ones. Further, I imagine the bigger problems here arise because “addiction” has policy implications and matters in public debates. And the term has entered common everyday use, which further complicates things. (The definition of esoteric subject matter can be contentious, but most times those debates stay within small circles of interested folks.)<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="line-height:normal"><div style="line-height:normal"><span style="line-height:20px;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards,</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Dan</div></body></html>