<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"> SR Ballard> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I’m sorry, but some people are genetically unfit to have children. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Yeah?  Agreed.  So what do you want to do about it?  Give governments a say in who is born?</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><div>For example: Fatal familial insomnia. <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_insomnia" target="_blank">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_insomnia</a></div><div><br></div><div>Unless/until their are treatments, knowingly dooming your children to die as you have died, miserably, is very cruel.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:27 AM, BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 07:16, Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat</span><br><span><<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>### Well, yes - real libertarianism is "live and let live", and this also implies "live and let die".</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am not my brother's keeper. Removal of legal sanctions for using and selling dangerous drugs</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>would certainly facilitate infliction of self-harm, and some people who are too timid to use drugs</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>now might become victims of their own stupidity - well, so what? We may offer good advice in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the spirit of the good Samaritan but if this advice is not heeded, I do not feel guilty for whatever</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>happens. The only situation where this does not apply is of course children and other wards</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>but that's a different story.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>This interpretation is based on the now discredited Social Darwinism</span><br><span>belief system.</span><br><span><<a href="https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/social-darwinism" target="_blank">https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/social-darwinism</a>></span><br><span><<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>Quotes:</span><br><span>Social Darwinists believe in “survival of the fittest”—the idea that</span><br><span>certain people become powerful in society because they are innately</span><br><span>better. Social Darwinism has been used to justify imperialism, racism,</span><br><span>eugenics and social inequality at various times over the past century</span><br><span>and a half.</span><br><span>----------</span><br><span>Darwin rarely commented on the social implications of his theories.</span><br><span>But to those who followed Spencer and Malthus, Darwin’s theory</span><br><span>appeared to be confirming with science what they already believed to</span><br><span>be true about human society—that the fit inherited qualities such as</span><br><span>industriousness and the ability to accumulate wealth, while the unfit</span><br><span>were innately lazy and stupid.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Unlike Darwin, Spencer believed that people could genetically pass</span><br><span>learned qualities, such as frugality and morality, on to their</span><br><span>children.</span><br><span>Spencer opposed any laws that helped workers, the poor, and those he</span><br><span>deemed genetically weak. Such laws, he argued, would go against the</span><br><span>evolution of civilization by delaying the extinction of the “unfit.”</span><br><span>----------</span><br><span>Eugenics became a popular social movement in the United States that</span><br><span>peaked in the 1920s and 1930s. Books and films promoted eugenics,</span><br><span>while local fairs and exhibitions held “fitter family” and “better</span><br><span>baby” competitions around the country.</span><br><span>The eugenics movement in the United States focused on eliminating</span><br><span>undesirable traits from the population. Proponents of the eugenics</span><br><span>movement reasoned the best way to do this was by preventing “unfit”</span><br><span>individuals from having children.</span><br><span>During the first part of the twentieth century, 32 U.S. states passed</span><br><span>laws that resulted in the forced sterilization of more than 64,000</span><br><span>Americans including immigrants, people of color, unmarried mothers and</span><br><span>the mentally ill.</span><br><span>----------------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>On the other hand, many great human projects involved large numbers of</span><br><span>humans working together, assisting each other in tasks which required</span><br><span>many different levels of ability and experience.</span><br><span></span><br><span>BillK</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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