<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I never said it should be difficult. I think a person owns his own body, if nothing else, and nobody should be able to stop them from doing anything they want IF they are adults. You might also want to check with abortion clinics. Some provide gynecological services other than abortion. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:52 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/sterilization/how-do-i-get-tubal-ligation-procedure" target="_blank">https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/sterilization/how-do-i-get-tubal-ligation-procedure</a><div><br></div><div>“<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Depending on where you live, there may be age restrictions or waiting periods to get a tubal ligation.”</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“<a href="https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/vasectomy" style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:inherit;text-decoration:none;outline-width:0px" target="_blank">Vasectomies</a> (aka male sterilization) are usually a lot cheaper than female sterilization.”</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“Many ... Planned Parenthood health centers do tubal ligation.” Not all.</span><br><br>I don’t understand why you think it should be difficult?<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:31 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Well, doesn't Planned Parenthood have programs or something to help with sterilization? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It was 1972 when I had the vasectomy and it was the doctor's choice to have me sign something.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 10:00 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Doctors like to refuse tubal litigations. I suppose they worry that a woman will change her mind. <div><br></div><div>I personally know 3 people who struggled to get one. One can find many stories similar to theirs, jumping through many hoops, waiting long periods, having to “shop” doctors. Why? <br><br>Condoms break.</div><div><br></div><div>IUDs are uncomfortable to put in and can accidentally move into places they shouldn’t be. </div><div><br></div><div>Hormonal birth control messes with your hormones (duh). The pill must be taken every day at the same time. The current trend of activated charcoal foods will mess up the pill. Antibiotics can mess up the pill. The pill can give you deadly blood clots. The pill may not be effective if you are above a certain weight.</div><div><br></div><div>(The “morning after” pill also may not work for women over 175 lbs)</div><div><br></div><div>It’s just bodily autonomy. If you don’t want to have kids, why not get your tubes tied. “Set and forget”, I suppose. Who is better to make that choice? <br><br>When you got a vasectomy, your wife had to sign. Why? You are over 21. It’s inappropriate.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:25 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Enlighten me. Just who is preventing women from tubal ligations? Fifty years ago my wife had to sign a form for me to get a vasectomy. So I thought women had the same options - guess not. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 8:07 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Why in our day and age would we need to resort to the aspirin method. Surely straight men enjoy sex, why prevent straight women from enjoying sex too. And besides, if they don’t have sex until they die, so they can avoid pregnancy, I think that will make a lot of women unhappy. Sex provides intimacy, and we should take that away because why? Because we don’t want to let women tie their tubes.<div><br></div><div>And yes, having tubes tied is very difficult. They expect you to have two children, be married, and have your husband’s written consent in some places. Even in cases where accidentally getting pregnant might kill a woman.</div><div><br></div><div>As people who want to upload and/or augment our physical bodies, why is tubal ligation any big deal?<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jan 11, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 4:26 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">There are those who put up convincing lies on the Web, with much enthusiasm - and a fair number with what can be accurately termed malicious intent. How would the public know which advice to trust?</div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">And just how is that different from now, like in the area of nutrition? Would you keep genetic knowledge secret?</font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not what I was talking about. You suggested just posting stuff without need for doctors; I pointed out the need for some sort of certification the public can trust (such as some accredited institution saying "this person is a doctor").</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif">Aspirin - are there genes for humor, spoilsport?</span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Poe's Law. I couldn't tell if you were being serious; I have seen people post suggestions that naive and be completely serious about them.</div></div></div>
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