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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat,
Jan 18, 2020 at 9:55 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a
href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>
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</span><i>it's possible that we could identify a
specific pattern in the large-scale networks, and
show that it's necessary and sufficient to produce
the sensation of the colour 'strawberry'.</i></p>
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size="4">I don't think that's possible at all, in fact
I'd say it's a logical impossibility. You might be able
to show that a specific network pattern in a human
biological brain was <b>sufficient</b> to cause a mouth
to make a noise like "<i>I am experiencing the visual
qualia I experience when I look at a strawberry</i>",
or cause a electronic computer to print out the
corresponding ASCII sequence when it is in the
corresponding network state. But how in the world could
you ever prove the man and the AI were experiencing the
same visual qualia, or even prove either of them were
experiencing a qualia at all? And even if you could
somehow magically do that how could you prove it was <b>necessary</b>,
how could you prove that some other network state or
even something that had nothing to do with networks
couldn't produce the same thing? There are after all an
infinite number of things that have nothing to do with
networks just as there are a infinite number of things
that do<span class="gmail_default"
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so you can't try them all.</font></div>
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<font size="4">People are spending way too much time
worrying about Artificial Consciousness, I say just
concentrate on Artificial Intelligence, once you have that
you'll get consciousness for free; it is after all the
tactic that Evolution used and it produced you and me and
I am a conscious being, you probably are too although I
can't prove it.</font></div>
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I agree with what you say, especially the last bit. I meant
'necessary' in the context of a human brain, not any system, and I'm
assuming that hearing someone claiming they can see the colour
strawberry-red is enough evidence that they can see it.<br>
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Proving that two separate brains (of whatever kind) are experiencing
the same thing is of course impossible. That's not what I mean. I
mean it should be possible to point to a specific thing in a
specific beings brain and say that is what's causing their
experience (or, rather, that's what 'their experience' <b>is</b>).<br>
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Ben Zaiboc</pre>
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