<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I thought after I got my doctorate that, while I got out of clinical work in grad school, I might go into sports psych. Then I said, no, a lifetime of sport? Unhuh. But a lasting interest has been marketing, which is mainly about images, and those are mainly visual. I read one study where the only thing that really mattered about a TV ad for soap was the repeated image of the product. So if you want people to buy Tide, have them see the box over and over during the ad. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Other studies show that if you show people pictures of people they can pick out which ones they would vote for. Political ads feature the image of the person and a few words and they are very successful. What that comes down to is money. More money, more images you can put in front of people. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I don't know how long George Wallace was voted for after he died, but it was a long time. Seeing Wallace on the ballot was all it took: his name (he had a son who kept getting elected). Later there was an unrelated Wallace who got elected without running. Just got his name on the ballot.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Just a few words: the magical words here are Baptist, family man, family values, conservative. And Republican. Those here have vowed to choke government until it dies and never raise taxes for any reason, and they keep getting elected.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Prison riots, roads closing, bridges closing - nothing seems to get through to the people here that some things need to change. Just vote Republican and go home. They don't know what socialism is, but they don't like it, and the Repubs have branded the Democrats with that,and the only Demos that get elected are blacks from black districts. Speaking of depressing.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I can only hope that things are better elsewhere. But people are people and images are nearly everything.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kunvar Thaman via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>> <span style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">But they take their orders from elected, corrupt fools who keep getting elected despite the peoples' disgust with them</span></div><div dir="auto">1. Aren't those people getting elected because the majority of people see them as competent leaders and elect them? Then it's essentially the public which is the fool, not those political leaders.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Where do these corrupt fools come from? They also came out of the system like us, went to similar schools, etc. We're in a system which promotes and selects for people who are good speakers and people pleasers, who may not efficient or smart people. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3. What can the STEM people do (I'm curious because I'm one of them) - not follow the law? There have already been pretty good solutions to most world problems which haven't been realized in practice. Small steps over time lead to huge changes. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">4.Sure there have been engineers in Congress but the elections don't select for that. Public elections where common people vote are inherently going to promote people who can influence other better than their competition.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">5. There's plenty of stupidity and ignorance in STEM people as well. There's a large percentage of people who got in to this field only for financial gains ( well, these jobs *do* pay well) and not internal interest or desire. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">&Kunvar</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 11:28 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If STEM people got together, they could stop anything from functioning. But they take their orders from elected, corrupt fools who keep getting elected despite the peoples' disgust with them. Side question: are there any engineers in Congress? In the California legislature? Doctors and lawyers, yes. STEM people, not so much. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:20 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:02 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> </p></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">>…<span style="font-size:13.5pt"> has lied 16,241 times in the 3 years … <u></u><u></u></span></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>News people often mix numbers having several significant digits to a subjective category. </i></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">They didn't just pull that number out of the air, every single one of those 16,241 utterances can be specified, the only subjective part is in deciding whether to call them "lies" or to use a euphemism like "misleading statement".</font></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>It is analogous to saying “In the northern hemisphere it is cold 37.641 percent of the time.” </i></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="4">Misleading statements like "My opponent in this election S</font></font><font size="4"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">pike Jones has said</span> the northern hemisphere it is cold 37.641 percent of the time and I have the quote to prove it!". Some would argue that wouldn't exactly be a lie but.. well.. it wouldn't exactly demonstrate a strong urge to get at the truth either.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></div></div>
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