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On 20/01/2020 19:32, Brent Allsop wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:mailman.211.1579548779.13152.extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">
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0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">OK very good points. So, let me see
if I can address these good points in the way I’m saying
things.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt">If you do a neuro substitution from
redness physics to greenness physics, (and visa versa) that
would be possible
if, in one step, you replaced all the glutamate being
presented to the binding
neuron (including any possible memory of glutamates
colorness property) with glycine
and your memory of </span><span style="font-size:16px">glycine's</span><span
style="font-size:12pt"> colorness property, that would be
possible as i've pointed out many times.</span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif">But, still you must include this
binding neuron (or something that performs this required
functionality) in your
thought experiment, otherwise composite computationally bound
elemental
physical qualities like redness and greenness aren’t
possible. And also, this same binding mechanism must be able
to connect a pre inverted system, with a post inverted system,
so that you can see that redness and grenness are inverted.</span></p>
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<br>
Brent, I think the biggest problem here <i>is</i> the way you're
saying things. A way that, as I've already demonstrated, cannot
possibly reflect reality. As far as I know.<br>
<br>
You acknowledged my argument ("availability argument") as a good
one, but failed to respond to my reply, saying I think the argument
demolishes the idea of molecules being able to represent (or
contain, or whatever) qualia. My question "I've falsified the
theory, wouldn't you say?", was never answered. And now you continue
to talk about glutamate and glycine, etc., and 'physical rednesss'
being an 'elemental quality'. So I can only assume your answer is
"No".<br>
<br>
Obviously, if there's something wrong with my argument, I'd like to
know what it is, so please tell me!<br>
<br>
Unless you can show my argument to be wrong, you can't continue to
talk in these terms. Well, you can, of course, but how can you
expect anyone to take you seriously?<br>
<br>
So, please, either falsify my argument or stop talking about
molecules like glycine having a 'colourness property', which my
argument shows is impossible.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Ben Zaiboc</pre>
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