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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Encryption<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…<span style='color:black'>So what can a government do?</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Write a 4<sup>th</sup> Amendment acknowledging intentional limits to what a government can do.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…<span style='color:black'>Investigate anyone who sends encrypted messages?</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>See above. The 4<sup>th</sup> amendment is our own government’s recognition that a sealed letter is a form of encryption: they are paid to deliver the message but cannot legally open it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>…<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I suppose you can battle that by sheer numbers of people doing it</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Of course. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…<span style='color:black'>I remember reading in Heinlein that when a government issued id cards to everyone which were required to live in the society, it was time to move on. bill w</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sure, however at some point there is no on to move to. This planet is already out of on. If you know where there is still on to be found, do share. I will seriously consider moving on.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In the meantime, there is a reason why we are paying such close attention to that recent distasteful episode involving the FISA court, which is a special-case permission for the government to go around its own 4<sup>th</sup> amendment. The problem with that was pointed out when the FISA court was first established: over time special cases become less special. A human or group of humans are in charge of determining what constitutes a special case. This is dangerous and invites abuse.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>