<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Hi John,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Take a case where a person suffered
from achromatopsia from birth. He would
be undergoing a procedure, </span><span style="font-size:16px">whose</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> goal was to cure him. The first thing this person experiences, early
in the procedure, is a patch of color. The
first time he experienced it he won’t know its name. He will have no memories of such, and every
other piece of information that you and I could have bound to make compost versions
of that color, didn’t exist for this person at first. Just the elemental color, nothing else. So, since the first time he experienced this
color it was in isolation, would you say this first experience of that color,
in isolation, didn’t exist, or are you saying it would exist, it just wouldn’t
have any meaning, making that color, in isolation, nothing but a nonsense
experience?</span></font></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The latter. It would exist, but would be nonsense until it was repeated. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This physical quality that exists, which is just nonsense when isolated, is elemental qualia.</div><div>Once it has meaning and lots of other things bound to it, it is a composite qualia, of which one of the constituents is elemental redness. It remains a fact that you could replace only the elemental redness, in your composite experience, so that all your meaning and names are now bound to an elemental grenness. The two composite qualia being identical in name, meaning... except for the alemental redness being swapped with grenness. That is what a qualia invert, from you, from birth would be. And that's what we mean when we say: "My redness is like your greenness" We'not talking the entire composite redness and meaning, Just the elemental redness and meaning. All the other meanings, names and such remain the same.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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