<div dir="ltr"><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi
Stathis,</span></p>

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<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Right,
that is what I bolded in my description of what you are saying, to communicate
to you that I understand this critically important part of your view:</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">As long as the "behavior"
remains the same the subjectivity must also remain the same.</span></b></p>

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<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So,
are we agreeing that redness is dependent on some specifically definable substrate
“behavior”, and that if this specific substrate behavior is substituted for
anything sufficiently different, it is no longer redness?</span></p>

<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:15 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 10:04, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Hi Stathis,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>And the reason is that if you repeat it back you seem to agree, but then later disagree. It would help if you clearly said something like “there can be a change in qualia without a change in behaviour”. (And I have defined behaviour: it is everything that can be observed, including speech, and not just strawberry-picking ability).</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you were listening to me, and repeating back to me what I've been trying to say, instead of incorrectly saying what I've never said: “there can be a change in qualia without a change in behaviour”, you would acknowledge that I'm trying to say something closer to qualia and qualia behavior are the same thing.  If the behavior isn't changing, and qualia are changing, that changing qualia must be some place else.  And if you substitute all behavior (or function or magic or anything), with something that is different, and the qualia never change, qualia are impossible, or at best not approachable via science.</div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><div dir="auto">If you agree that the qualia cannot change unless the behaviour changes, that is functionalism.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div></div></div>
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