<div dir="auto">This is similar to the Roman concept of otium, but of course, they weren't doing the heavy lifting on the farm:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otium">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otium</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 8:02 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">will wrote: <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">We should live in close-knit communes where children are raised jointly, people make their own food and energy, and art and scientific innovation are produced within.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Ah yes, the thinking man's Eden. I think it would work only with smart people, but making their own food and energy would take a lot of time away from intellectual creativity and research. There are some things that need to be outsourced.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">And people are doing the opposite: moving away from the countryside and into the cities where growing food is impossible in quantity. But I would love to live in such a place as you describe, where I can garden without having to do all the weeding, and intellectual companionship is close by.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">That said, I think the history of the successes and failures of communes is pretty dismal.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:34 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 7:17 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>And if the Saudi and Iranian citizens knew who the secret police were *and* how little threat different religions and homosexuality actually posed.</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a different kind of knowledge. This is everyone knowing TRUTH. As opposed to knowing actions, behaviors, opinions, etc of others. The latter is fairly possible in some kind of dystopian world. The former is more of a magic thought experiment kind of thing.</div><div><br></div><div>Sort of a nebulous concept anyway if it's not pared down.</div><div><br></div><div>In any case, I don't think knowing about everyone else's life is necessarily good. Too much information.</div><div><br></div><div>We should live in close-knit communes where children are raised jointly, people make their own food and energy, and art and scientific innovation are produced within.</div></div></div>
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