<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>I get what you are saying.  And I agree.  But there are still the facts of the matter that people suffering from "<a href="https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150925-blindsight-the-strangest-form-of-consciousness">blind sight</a>" can catch a ball, even though there is no visual conscious awareness of that ball.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 8:54 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Well I assume if the researchers say they were reaching FOR things it means that there were objects that the monkeys could determine the location of and then reach for.  Which would imply visual processing</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:36 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">They were "sleep "seeing and reaching for things".<div><br></div><div>Until they know what redness and greenness.... are and how they are computationally bound, and they can directly observe THAT, the external behavior they are seeing could be LOTS of stuff that isn't consciousness.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 8:21 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">How did they see and reach for things if the visual cortex was anesthetized??</div>
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