<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 8:08 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <i></i></span><i>Hi John,<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></i><i>What does evolution and all you are saying here, have to do with whether something is bound into you composit conscious awareness or not?</i></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">Can intelligent behavior <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">exist </span>without consciousness or can <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">it</span> not?</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br>If <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">it</span> can then <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">consciousness is not needed from </span>Evolution<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">'s point of view and so </span> could not have produced it. So how did a conscious being like you get here?</font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4"><br>If you can not <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">have intelligent behavior without consciousness </span>then </font><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">logically </span><font size="4">you'd have no more reason to think a AI was a zombie than to think a intelligent human was</font><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"> a zombie. As for me I don't believe in zombies. </font></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"> John K Clark</font></span></div></div>