<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Just one last word on how 'easy ' emotions are:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">What are people's reactions to anger? Oh well, easy - 1 2 3</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">What are people's directions to fear? Oh well, easy 1 2 3</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Wait. What about the person feeling the anger? What variables should we consider: Age, gender, race, religion, national origin, last food eaten, last thing drunk, how did their parents respond to anger, who else is there, how are they are they reacting, what are they wearing - and what about their age, gender, etc? Many more things are important to understanding anger and all the rest, including hormone levels like cortisol. <span style="color:rgb(35,31,32);font-family:"Proxima Nova",system-ui,sans-serif;font-size:18px">General signs and symptoms of too much cortisol include:</span></div><ul style="box-sizing:inherit;color:rgb(35,31,32);font-family:"Proxima Nova",system-ui,sans-serif;font-size:18px"><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">weight gain, mostly around the midsection and upper back</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">weight gain and rounding of the face</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">acne</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">thinning skin</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">easy bruising</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">flushed face</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">slowed healing</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">muscle weakness</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">severe fatigue</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">irritability</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">difficulty concentrating</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">high blood pressure</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;line-height:26px;margin-bottom:8px">headache</li></ul><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Give it up , John. Emotions are extremely complex and we are just beginning to understand them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 9:13 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 9:33 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>You are talking about computers, boxes, simulations, and evolution. Let's talk about people. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">OK let's talk about people. People were produced by Evolution. I am a person and I am conscious. If intelligent behavior and consciousness we're not inextricably linked then Evolution could not have done that.</font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't know much about biochemistry, but I know how complex it can be and you seem to be denying that.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">Biochemistry and biology in general is indeed fantastically complex, but complexity is a vice not a virtue when it is more complex than it needs to be, and in the life sciences you constantly see the silly Rube Goldberg ways Evolution chose to get things done. I've already given the example of hormones and there are plenty more. The vagus nerve connects the brain to the larynx, in a giraffe the two organs are less than a foot apart but its vagus nerve is more than 15 feet long because it runs all the way down the neck and then double backs and goes back up the neck to the larynx. No human designer would be that stupid. And the design of the vertebrate eye is even sillier. </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></div></div>
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