<div dir="ltr"><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi
bill w,</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My
working hypothesis is that evolution has bread us to co-operate in groups, for
the survival of the fittest group. The
largest group, best able to cooperate, destroy and out compete, or consume all
other groups is the most fit. And since hierarchies
are the simplest way to organize and cooperate, that’s what we have been bread
for. So, rather than “rationality” it’s
all about supporting the guy at the top better than all other groups. It’s all about us/vs them, and there is no
morality, other than what the guy at the top says. We’ve been bread, for billions of years, to fear
and to kill anything that is not supporting that hierarchy, and to listen only
to the guy at the top.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Is
it any wonder, then, if when people ask Trump: “How will we know when America
is Great Again?” His answer is: “I will
tell you when it is great.” Sure, that’s
completely irrational, but he is still winning and out competing anything else.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We
just need to find a way so that leaderless organization can know, concisely and
quantitatively, what everyone at the bottom wants, easily and efficiently. Until we can know that, there will always be
a leaderless vacuum that must be filled by something, telling us all what to do.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><font face="Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Basically,
that is what canonizer is trying to do with its consensus building system. Only when we know what all the people at the
bottom want, concisely and </span><span style="font-size:16px">quantitatively</span><span style="font-size:12pt">, at scale, will we be able to cooperate,
enough to out compete hierarchies. Once
we can all do that, when Trump or Kim Jon-un want to go off and fight, we can just
say: “Sure, go knock yourself out.” As
for the rest of us, we now know, rationally, concisely and quantitatively what
we all want to do, so we’re going to do that, instead.</span></font></p>
<p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:55 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Esp. to John, but to everybody:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I keep reading the evolution just cobbles together the best thing it can with the materials at hand and the thing may not be the perfect thing.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So - how do we explain irrationality and the very numerous errors in thinking, none of which seem to be supportive of survival? Aside from protecting the ego in certain instances, it would seem that distortion of reality works against survival. Eh?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">bill w</div></div>
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