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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] perspective on covid<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 7:57 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'> <span class=gmaildefault>></span></span></i><span class=gmaildefault><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>…<span style='color:#222222'> </span></span></i></span><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>I don’t know when the people decided that government was responsible for everything.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>…I don't think government is responsible for everything but I also don't think it's too much to ask that the leader of a country should show at least a trace of competence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Such as this?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=656 style='width:492.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:25.5pt'><td width=160 valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>nation<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=124 valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>confirmed cases<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=124 valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>million proles<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=124 valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>cases per million<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=124 valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>times worse than USA<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>China<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>80652<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>1,345<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>60.0<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>49<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>South Korea<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>7041<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>51.26<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>137.4<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>113<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Italy<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>5883<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>60.49<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>97.3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>80<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Iran<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>5823<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>84<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>69.3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>57<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>France<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>949<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>65.3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>14.5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>12<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Germany<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>799<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>83.8<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>9.5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>8<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Spain<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>500<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>46.8<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>10.7<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>9<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Japan<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>461<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>126.5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>3.6<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>USA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>401<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>329<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>1.2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>=1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Switzerland<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>268<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>8.7<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>30.8<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>25<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:28.5pt'><td width=160 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:120.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>UK<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>206<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>67.9<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>3.0<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=124 nowrap valign=bottom style='width:93.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:28.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Courier'>2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Ok. Did it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>>>… </span></i></span><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>economic reality will hit a government which has been living off of borrowing for decades. Eventually the lenders stop lending.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>>…You know something spike, I've been hearing that exact same song all my life and it's never even come close to coming true…</span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ja, we should eliminate taxes altogether and just borrow it all. If the suckers are willing to lend and interest rates are low, I don’t see the point in paying our bills ourselves. Let the Chinese pay for it all. They don’t dare stop lending because we go broke and they don’t get their money back. What are they going to do, repossess the country?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>