<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thought experiment: <div><br></div><div>Suppose traditional societies developed around the social expectation of marriage for all adults. Gay men are gay but are expected to take wives and father children. Wife is relieved because she doesn’t want to deal with the “incessant” demands of a man she doesn’t particularly care for. </div><div><br></div><div>Love marriage is a relatively new concept. When it was introduced it was considered to herald the end of marriage, which seems to have been true.</div><div><br></div><div>So traditional societies that place extreme value on heterosexual marriage and the creation of multiple offspring seems to negate selection pressures that would “weed-out” homosexuality.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Mar 8, 2020, at 7:03 PM, Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 1:09 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-450249442609362151WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">specifically: gay men do reproduce. For reasons I have never understood, gay men seem to be very popular with straight women. Feeling of safety perhaps? Easy enough to envision they </p></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto">As far as genes are concerned the gay men who do produce offspring could be viewed (as you have labelled bonobos) as "sneaky fuckers" and as far as genes are concerned, sucessfully so. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Though sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and higher level preference that does not interfere with lower level requisites are just personal non-contributing behavior.</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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