<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">There are many problems with standardized testing, not the least of which is that many people don't agree with the contents. Another is that the test gets out and so you have to make a new one frequently. Adrian had some excellent ideas on how to stop cheating, but I think meeting with a proctor is all I would accept as valid.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">If a person applies to , say, Boeing, would Boeing accept their credentials or would they administer a test of their own to find out the abilities of the candidate?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Some schools are getting a bit wary. It used to be that taking the law exam and passing it was good enough to get certified as a lawyer. Not here. Legislature passed a law saying that you had to have a law degree from some college. Abe LIncoln would not have made it that way, as he was too poor to afford college. Traditional colleges are going to be, are in, a big fight to stay alive. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">What are the technical colleges going to do if you can 'learn it just any way', take a standardized test, and get a degree and get hired? I am assuming that there is plenty online to help a student understand some math or engineering concept - he doesn't need to go to a sit-down classroom to get help - mostly unpaid help. Paid tutors are available now I think, online.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:32 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-41691793937045011WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] social distancing, was: RE: > Taiwan is standing strong<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">If anyone knows: when taking courses online, how do they determine if the person taking the courses takes the tests? How do you prevent cheating of various kinds? I have no idea.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">They don’t. But your question gives me an idea.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">To get credentials, one would need to sit for proctored tests in a controlled environment. A student could learn the material any way available. BillW since you are in the education field, do think this over: what if… the mainstream-ey classes could have standardized testing. We have the SAT and GRE, such as that. We could have a standardized test for thermodynamics, for machine design, for structures, for vibration analysis, all of it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Note that my area is engineering, which is an objective area of learning. The idea formulating in my mind is only applicable to objective fields of study. I have no idea how psychology classes would work, or literature or anything that requires classes to discuss stuff. With engineering, math, physics, my world, the material can be learned any which way and credentials could be issued based on standardized testing.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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