<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">What I am doing is envisioning a new normal where people generally don’t do the high-luxury stuff nearly as much, don’t eat at restaurants much, don’t go on road trips or fly across sea. We could still feed everyone and lotsa stuff would be done from home.<font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></p><font color="#888888" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike</p><p class="MsoNormal">Lotsa luck getting people to lower their standards of living voluntarily. What you describe would appear to most folks as what went on in the Depression (which was far worse, but they don't know that). If people can afford luxuries, they will buy them - ditto all the other things you mention.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Most people out there are not minimalists like you , Spike.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">bill w</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p></font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 8:53 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-8089971170918196242WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Dave Sill <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Spike Jones <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] reasonable what ifs<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:57 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">She continues: You didn’t let me finish. I was going to add: … if you still want them. Starting today, we are all working for a 20% discount.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'd gladly take a 20% cut if I could work from home, as I've been doing for the past three weeks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-Dave <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dave there are plenty of people who would, but that might be an optimistic scenario. Information workers whose work is relevant will likely have options, but not all will. My neighbor is a production engineer in a local electronics factory which is closed. There is nothing he can do from home while the machines are idle, so he is out of luck. Some of the locals work from home.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So imagine a scenario where we realize that we have the tech to do work from home and our needs change a lot. For starters, I am looking for grocery delivery services. I used them a few times a coupla years ago and found they work, but they weren’t compelling. Now they are. But now they are not available. They can’t hire enough people to put the products in the boxes and tape them shut. We have enough Uber drivers I think, but not enough packers willing to work for 12 bucks an hour after they have been making 50 on average at their other jobs.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">What I am doing is envisioning a new normal where people generally don’t do the high-luxury stuff nearly as much, don’t eat at restaurants much, don’t go on road trips or fly across the sea. We could still feed everyone and lotsa stuff would be done from home.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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