<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 23:08, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-5591300174097488669WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark via extropy-chat<br><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] ccp struggles<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 5:56 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5591300174097488669gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> </span></i></span><i>Stathis, without the right to bear arms, the people have no rights at all,</i><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">And that's why today life in New Zealand, Canada and Denmark is indistinguishable from what life was like under Stalin in the USSR or in Nazi Germany,..... oh wait... <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">John, I had perceived you as a guy who doesn’t trust the US government. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5591300174097488669gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> </span></i></span><i>but rather only a list of grudging permissions which may be taken away at the government’s whim.</i><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">>…But things are very different in America because the US army knows that an angry redneck with a shotgun…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">The angry redneck and the military are on the same side.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">>…could easily destroy a M1 Abrams battle tank or a F-22 jet fighter…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Neither of those weapons are brought to bear against angry rednecks on American soil.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">Because those who control these weapons don’t want to massacre the population, not because they are afraid of them being armed.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-5591300174097488669WordSection1"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">>…Because of this 19,510 Americans had the freedom to get murdered last year (6 per 100,000)…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Had we no right to bear arms, that number would have been in the millions. The right to bear arms protects Americans against the bad guys.</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">You think that there would have been millions of murders in America if there were no “right to bear arms”?? Why is America so different to other countries in this regard?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-5591300174097488669WordSection1"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">>…I said it before I'll say it again, regardless of how beautiful a theory is if it doesn't fit the facts it must be abandoned…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">John feel free to abandon any theory you wish. That is why we have a second amendment, for those who wish to abandon the theory that Americans have rights.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-5591300174097488669gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> </span></i></span><i>There are Americans who will argue Americans’ civil rights can be rescinded at the government’s whim,</i><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">>…That is true. I've even heard of an American who I believe happens to be the head of the government's executive branch say "<i>I have the right to do anything</i>" and "<i>I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about</i>" and "<i>The federal government has absolute power</i>" and "<i>When somebody is the president of the United States their authority is total</i>." But we have rednecks with shotguns so we have no need to worry.</span> <span style="font-size:13.5pt">John K Clark</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It worked: the federal government did not take over and assume dictatorial control of the country or violate Americans’ constitutional rights. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Aren’t you glad we have a constitution? So am I.</p></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-5591300174097488669WordSection1"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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