<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">All along our survivalists envisioned nuclear war, but this looks like a</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">more likely scenario. The buildings and farms don't get wrecked in this</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">one, so our civilization would at least leave behind a beautiful corpse.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">spike</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">It seems that I read awhile back that neutron bombs killed people but left buildings etc.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">As for the virus, we had many bioweapons before it. </font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:34 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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Subject: Re: [ExI] virus scenario<br>
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<a href="mailto:robot@ultimax.com" target="_blank">robot@ultimax.com</a> wrote:<br>
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> Not that I think anybody will respond, because there never is, but:<br>
<br>
Your posts are filled with content. It takes a while to think through and<br>
offer a response that makes sense.<br>
<br>
<br>
>... But I have followed gene engineering for decades. I can state<br>
from such personal knowledge that making this virus in a lab is beyond<br>
the state of the art. Not really far beyond the state of the art but<br>
it is at least 5 years out and more likely ten years. The showstopper<br>
would be designing the entry protein...<br>
<br>
...<br>
<br>
<br>
This is not my area of expertise, but I have been thinking: we assume (I do)<br>
that this virus was not created in the lab, but rather that it somehow<br>
evolved there and infected a human there. Or it somehow evolved in a bat<br>
and a lab worker sold the bat at the local wet market. I have no idea on<br>
that pangolin business. Or something happened, some clueless goofball with<br>
no harmful intent was poking around with genetic material, but I have little<br>
doubt that one of those scenarios is plausible.<br>
<br>
In any case, the virus exists now, and viruses can be preserved in dry form<br>
somehow (they can, ja? (help me out here if you know.)) Regardless of how<br>
the virus came about, a hell of a potential bio-weapon has now presented<br>
itself, and every country in the world has access to it. Every country has<br>
the option now to isolate the virus and release it aboard an international<br>
flight or cruise liner on the last day of the voyage, causing global chaos<br>
once more. We have no vaccine and no guarantee we will ever have one: we<br>
still don't have an HIV vaccine, ja?<br>
<br>
All along our survivalists envisioned nuclear war, but this looks like a<br>
more likely scenario. The buildings and farms don't get wrecked in this<br>
one, so our civilization would at least leave behind a beautiful corpse.<br>
<br>
We are glad you are here Mr. Kennedy: we can sure use a biology guru among<br>
us right now.<br>
<br>
spike<br>
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