<div dir="auto">Dylan: never too late! I believe it is the most rational position to take as a scientist.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">William: I too am a naturalist. I believe in physics, and by extension, consciousness. This is all that is required, in my opinion, for rational pantheism. It is extremely illogical and unscientific to believe that consciousness somehow stops outside a single human brain, just like it would be similarly illogical to believe that consciousness stopped outside a single brain hemisphere. Materialism is needed, in my opinion, to validate by belief in God. It provides a consistently similar-acting substrate whereby conclusions regarding my own consciousness can be rationally extended to things beyond myself.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In essence:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. I am conscious</div><div dir="auto">2. I am material</div><div dir="auto">3. I am made of disparate parts forming a larger system of information movement and exchange</div><div dir="auto">4. I am a disparate part forming a larger system of information movement and exchange</div><div dir="auto">5a. Information is moved or exchanged in all events taking place in the universe</div><div dir="auto">5b. The universe is material</div><div dir="auto">6. The universe is conscious</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe the China brain is conscious. But I also have relaxed the restrictions and boundaries of such a system widely enough to encompass the universe and whatever is beyond.</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 22:23 spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_7227298876161312060WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Atheism<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">>…Athiest, although I'd rather be a pantheist!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That does kinda sound like fun, but it leads to a good question: if one would rather be something else, a different faith, does one really have a choice? If one sees clear evidence of evolution for instance, but one’s belief system says no evolution, but one likes his belief system as is, does it come crashing down anyway? Can we choose what we believe?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Does it depend on the person?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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