<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 05:43 John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:57 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-style:italic;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>P.S. Russell's teapot doesn't count</i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Why not?</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Because it makes an assumption that it does not attempt to prove--that believing in God is as ridiculous as believing in the teapot. It uses the most ridiculous forms of belief in God, man-in-the-sky stuff, to paint over all belief with a broad brush.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I believe that God is a rational deduction which only requires materialism and the experience of one's own consciousness. So for me it is atheism--which has NO logical grounding--that is more crazy and more rooted in faith. Agnosticism is more palatable because I won't fault anyone for having no belief. But it is still true in my eyes that any scientist should rationally believe in substrate independent consciousness (unless they are a vitalist scientist from the 1700s.) So to me--with all due* respect--you are the fool.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">*You may deduce for yourself how much may be due ;)</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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