<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Thank you, bill w, for putting much more clearly and concisely than I've been able to do, why religion and transhumanism are not compatible.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">And thank you, Ben. Thanks are extremely rare in the group (???).</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">I think you cannot get more basic than epistemology. "How do you know?" is the most basic question. I wish school children were taught the ways to answer this.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:40 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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On 19/04/2020 19:46, billw wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Empiricism is
science and its methods and belief has no place in it. We don't
believe in Darwin's ideas: we follow them because they are the
best at predicting and explaining phenomena we study. Empirical
facts like the finches.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">There is no way a
person who is basically an empiricist and another who uses
authoritarianism and intuition, to have a debate. They are
accepting things based on entirely different criteria and so are
talking at cross purposes.</div>
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Thank you, bill w, for putting much more clearly and concisely than
I've been able to do, why religion and transhumanism are not
compatible.<br>
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This doesn't mean that a religious person can't also be a
transhumanist, or vice-versa, but just as with the civil engineer
that Spike was talking about, they are going to have two
incompatible world-views going on (assuming that 'religious' and
'transhumanist' keep their normal meanings, as I've discussed
before), and just like Spike, I can't really imagine what kind of
mental gymnastics you'd have to go through to sustain that and not
go crazy. In fact, I suspect that 'crazy' is really the only
sensible way to describe such a person.<br>
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Ben Zaiboc</pre>
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