<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Spike, I have found that the best way to treat women is to treat them like ladies. If they are not ladies, I will find out sooner or later. In fact, I think that treating girls like women, and women like ladies actually helps girls to become ladies, if they can get over the teenage embarrassment. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:45 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_4578526046813657302WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] e: texas county judge demands residents wear bananas<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">Spike, a female student answered your question some time aga. I said that I wanted to be a fly on the wall when girls got together in the dorm and talked about boys or God, or whatever.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">She said "No, you don't." So I said "You mean that girls can be just as nasty, mean, crude, etc. as guys?" She said Yes. Dashed my opinion of women in a way. But them I have always been rather naive' in some ways.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Well sure, but again please: there is no ethical way to be that fly on the wall. If a secret recording is made, even just audio, then listening to that is as unethical as viewing the secret hidden camera video made in a hotel or locker room. In some ways, the secret audio is worse than the locker room video, for one is mere nudity, and we all know exactly what that looks like (which is not to say we ever get tired of it (I don’t.)) But a private discussion is secret, and I would not be a fly on the wall. If I woke up and discovered I was a fly on the wall, I would buzz around the faces of the participants until she swatted my ass. I would deserve it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Your student who said “No, you don’t” was right. I choose to keep my ignorance and embrace my illusions about the fairer sex. There really are things I don’t want to know and some things I would unknow if that could be made possible.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My sociologist friend’s project from college was one of the most educational experiences I had there.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:22 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] e: texas county judge demands residents wear bananas<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">MB</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">In my personal experience, if that is not superfluous, I have met very few women I would call jerks, and many men. Girls, women are fairly far apart growing up, the females with more social and emotional intelligence. I don't think most men ever catch up with the women. Men are likely not to see any reason for manners, muchless etiquette, and have to be trained by their girl friends and wives how to act in many situations. Do you agree, men?</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill w</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">BillW, can you see any differences in the way guys act when it is only guys present, vs how they act when there is mixed company?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Is it not reasonable to extrapolate that women have some kind of analogous difference in the way they carry on when it is only women present?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">The problem is that there is no completely ethical way to find out. If a hidden camera/audio recorder were placed and the single-gender meeting took place where none of the participants knew the interaction was being recorded, it would be unethical to make the recording or view it once it was recorded.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">This is the sociologists’ dilemma: much or nearly all their data must be collected in such a way that it doesn’t impact the test subjects. The best way to do that is to be deceptive.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">We wouldn’t know if women were jerks when they are with only women, but I have heard women bully each other in a way analogous to but not exactly like the way men do.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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