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On 25/04/2020 23:57, Jason Resch wrote:<br>
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I think you mean 'mind' when you say 'soul', but then you
invite <br>
accusations of supernatural thinking by saying things like
"your <br>
consciousness is eternal, uncreated, immortal, can
reincarnate, <br>
resurrect, and is in a manner one with all other
consciousnesses".<br>
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<div dir="auto">It may sound supernatural, but those are just
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You have a strange idea of 'standard', and quite possibly
'scientific', too.<br>
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No scientific theory I've heard of states that minds are eternal or
'uncreated' (what does that even mean?). Those are definitely
religious concepts that take no notice of the natural world. The
other words we've already dealt with, I think you're just using the
wrong (or should i say misleading) terminology.<br>
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Ben: So what, exactly, is Consciousness?. But don't worry if <br>
you can't answer that. Nobody else can either.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Jason: I provided a definition and example in my
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An actual definition of consciousness? Strange that I don't remember
reading that. Could you repeat it please?<br>
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Jason: What about a mathematical Boltzmann brain? Is that not
independent of matter and energy?<br>
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No. (or Yes, in the same sense that Santa Claus is).<br>
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As far as I understand, mathematical platonism is an arguing point
for philosophers, of no real consequence to the real world. I don't
know what a mathematical Boltzmann brain could be, or if it makes
any sense, even in the context of mathematical platonism, but as far
as I can tell, the idea is about as relevant as demonology.<br>
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In the real world, information only exists as the arrangement of
matter/energy, not an independent thing. Saying "if mathematical
platonism is true..." is not an argument, unless you can send me the
abstract number 42, without involving any matter or energy.<br>
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Jason: If you don't attempt to or want to understand my points then
you're right, this is going to be frustrating and pointless for the
both of us<br>
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I've been attempting to understand what you're saying, and so far
I've come to the conclusion that either you have no intention or
desire to distinguish between magic and reality, or you need to
drastically revise your vocabulary if you expect anyone to
understand you.<br>
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If you'd (if it's possible to) drop the mystical terminology and
stick to words that belong to the realm of the real world, that
might help a lot. If that's not possible, I don't see how what
you're saying is any more relevant to the real world than a Harry
Potter story.<br>
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Ben Zaiboc</pre>
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