<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">able to use common sense in scientific matters SR Ballard</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Good. I have always wanted a good definition of 'common sense'. Maybe you can supply one. Everybody knows what it is, but no one seems to be able to define it.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">bill w</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 8:25 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr">PART ZERO: Introduction</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This is an extremely long email about what Transhumanism is and how well a Mormon might be able to align with the definitions we find. It is split into the following parts:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">(1) What is autonomy? & Various definitions</div><div dir="ltr">(2) What is rationality?</div><div dir="ltr">(3) Principles of Transhumanism per Wikipedia (the most likely resource for people who would join) </div><div dir="ltr">(4) Principles of Extropianism per Max</div><div dir="ltr">(5) General overview of Mormon Demographics</div><div dir="ltr">(6) A well defined Minority of Mormons & how they are Mormon in name only</div><div dir="ltr">(7) Conclusion</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Apologies about the length. And the fact I repeat myself... a lot. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">PART ONE: Autonomy</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Does Transhumanism require “autonomy” from religious belief?<div><br></div><div>><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">the right or condition of self-government. </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"Tatarstan demanded greater autonomy within the Russian Federation"</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">One could argue that Mormon Transhumanists are autonomous in the sense that the Church and Scriptures make no explicit references to technology.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">>freedom from external control or influence; independence. </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"economic autonomy is still a long way off for many women"</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Sure, Mormons experience external influence, but not in matters pertaining to Transhumanism. If we look at the example sentence, isn’t that misleading? Nearly all people are slaves to wages, but the sentence implies that she controls her own wage slavery rather than being dependent on the goodwill of another wage slave (father, brother, husband, son). In this sense, Mormons are autonomous in the realm of Transhumanism.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">PART TWO: Rationality</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Does Transhumanism require “rationality”?</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">In the sense of being able to use common sense in scientific matters, yes. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">However religious beliefs do not inherently require the abandonment of rationality, only compartmentalization. If religious beliefs would Barr someone from being meaningfully Tranhumanist, then any person who has anxiety, depression, OCD, phobias, delusions, or hallucinations cannot be meaningfully Transhumanist, and I would argue that my irrational fear of bees does not invalidate me. For that matter I don’t think kinks are “rational”, but I don’t think that invalidates transhumanist commitment either. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">PART THREE : Principles of Transhumanism</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">What are the principles of Transhumanism, exactly? </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Do we mean this? </span><a href="https://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Philosophy/Transhumanist_Principles.html" target="_blank">https://www.aleph.se/Trans/Cultural/Philosophy/Transhumanist_Principles.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>For Max’s <i><b><u>Extropian</u></b></i> Principles, as outlined by himself, see part 4.</div><div><br></div><div>Or what I found on Wikipedia:</div><div><br></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(1) Proactionary Principle (maybe can can comment if I’m misunderstanding) </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> People’s freedom to innovate technologically is highly valuable, even critical, to humanity. This implies several imperatives when restrictive measures are proposed: Assess risks and opportunities according to available science, not popular perception. Account for both the costs of the restrictions themselves, and those of opportunities foregone. Favor measures that are proportionate to the probability and magnitude of impacts, and that have a high expectation value. Protect people’s freedom to experiment, innovate, and progress.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mormons are not bound by almost any dogma in regards to science and technology, though “designer babies” might be considered controversial. They are free to use science as much as anyone else to evaluate ideas and technology. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I have met exactly 2 Mormon creationists, but I feel perhaps that might be more common in Utah Mormonism. However the Church usually does not take a hard stance on this, and prefers to focus on other things. In general, most Mormons are pretty compartmentalized and operate on a surprisingly secular framework outside of the religious context, likely due to college education. </span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(2) Embrace of singularity</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">There’s no reason to believe Mormons would oppose this.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(3) Embrace technology</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mormons are constantly urged by Church authorities to adopt and utilize new technologies, especially information technology.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(4) Avoiding global annihilation and extermination of the species</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mormons, in general, are split on the topic of environmentalism, but they also don’t have an Armageddon fetish like Jehovah’s Witnesses or most Evangelicals. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(5) Immortality, Life Extension, and Rejuvenation</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I cannot think of any Mormon theology which would make this impossible or distasteful. </span></div></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">PART FOUR: Extropian Principles (Per Max)</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(1) </span><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Perpetual Progress</span></div><div><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means seeking more intelligence, wisdom, and effectiveness</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">“Seek not for riches but for wisdom” — there is more to this quote but often this is the only part that is used</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">open-ended lifespan</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">See above</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">removal of political, cultural, biological, and psychological limits to continuing development</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Other than “designer babies” most scientific development is generally neutral or good in the Mormon context. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(2) </span><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Self-Transformation</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means affirming continual ethical, intellectual, and physical self-improvement</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Nearly any Mormon would agree to this</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:justify">through critical and creative thinking, perpetual learning, personal responsibility, proactivity, and experimentation</span></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:justify"><br></span></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:justify">Mormons are perfectly capable of all of these. High on personal responsibility, low on experimentation.</span></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><br></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:justify"><br></span></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span style="text-align:justify">> </span></span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Using technology — in the widest sense to seek physiological and neurological augmentation along with emotional and psychological refinement.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">You’re not gonna hear Mormons reject any medical science (such as Jehovah’s Witnesses with blood transfusion) with the exception of “designer babies”, and perhaps Gender reassignment surgery (Though you could make a strong theological case for it as well). </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">There are maybe anti-vaxxers though in my experience I’ve never met one. Utah Mormons maybe.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">No one is going to say that neural interface prosthetics are bad, or cochlear implants are satanic. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:justify">You’re not gonna hear Mormons reject computers, the internet, or VR. </div><div style="text-align:justify"><br></div><div style="text-align:justify">(3) Practical Optimism</div><div style="text-align:justify"><br></div><div style="text-align:start">> <span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means fueling action with positive expectations – individuals and organizations being tirelessly proactive. Adopting a rational, action-based optimism or "proaction", in place of both blind faith and stagnant pessimism.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mormonism’s Relief society is notoriously optimistic, practical, and proactive. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They sold the US government 200K bushels of wheat to combat hunger in 1918. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They did the same for the San Francisco earthquake. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They used sales of the wheat through the years to fund maternity hospitals. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Many Female Mormon Pioneers were suffragists. Utah was among the first states to give women the right to vote. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They sent many women to medical schools and funded their educations in the late 1800s, and were among the first women in the US to be trained as doctors, they then organized a program to have these doctors train female nurses. They ran the first hospital in the US with an all-female board of directors. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They started one of the first female produced newspapers which often covered suffragette issues, and information on local medical classes. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They spearheaded the US Geneological Movement, and the information they collect is available to everyone. This information might one day prove useful to scientists as well. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The relief society created programs to eliminate poverty, and sent women to get degrees in social work (one of the most common majors for Mormon women today), then created monthly classes for them to teach. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Source: </span><a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/2014/3/13/20537258/10-accomplishments-of-the-relief-society" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/2014/3/13/20537258/10-accomplishments-of-the-relief-society</a></div><div><br></div><div>Mormon women are excellent at community organizing, have high rates of stay at home wives and low rates of homeschooling while having the income to maintain a two car family, allowing Mormon women the ability to organize large scale social works projects. </div><div><br></div><div>(4) <span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Intelligent Technology</span></div><div><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means designing and managing technologies not as ends in themselves but as effective means for improving life. Applying science and technology creatively and courageously to transcend "natural" but harmful, confining qualities derived from our biological heritage, culture, and environment.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:justify">Well explained before this point. </div><div><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(5) Open Society - information and democracy</span></div><div><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means supporting social orders that foster freedom of communication, freedom of action, experimentation, innovation, questioning, and learning. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mormons are not compelled in any real sense or cut off from information.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">>Opposing authoritarian social control and unnecessary hierarchy and </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Big fail here</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">>favoring the rule of law </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Religious obligation to follow the law.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">>and decentralization of power and responsibility. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Power is centralized but responsibility is personal. Many Mormons take initiative.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start">(6) <span style="font-weight:bold;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Self-Direction</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means valuing independent thinking, individual freedom, personal responsibility, self-direction, self-respect, and a parallel respect for others.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Yes, and no.</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> Independent thinking on non-Church matters is perfectly fine. Self-direction in non-Church matters is again fine. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Yes to the rest. </span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">(7) </span><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Rational Thinking</span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div style="text-align:start"><span style="font-weight:bold;text-align:justify;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">> </span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Extropy means favoring reason over blind faith and questioning over dogma. It means understanding, experimenting, learning, challenging, and innovating rather than clinging to beliefs.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small">In non-Church contexts, this is fine. But including the church context is mixed. See part 6</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small">PART FIVE: Mormons general</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Additionally, Mormons are an important demographic to win over. (Demographics of Mormonism: </span><a href="https://www.pewforum.org/2009/07/24/a-portrait-of-mormons-in-the-us/" target="_blank">https://www.pewforum.org/2009/07/24/a-portrait-of-mormons-in-the-us/</a> )</div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They have higher birthdate, and thus are disproportionately young people, 66% under 50 (National average 59%), and 25% under 30 (national 20%). Therefore, it is an important religious demographic (about 2% of the US population) which is not opposed to Transhumanism. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Mormons are more likely to graduate high school (91% versus avg of 86%), more likely to attend college (61% vs 50%) and slightly more likely to graduate (28% vs 26%). </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">They also have a higher than average income with 54% having an income over 50K, compared to the average of 48%. This income, while partially offset by the cost of raising children, allows them more ability to donate to the sciences. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">6% of Mormons say they believe in an impersonal God, which would allow this demographic to focus on more scientific pursuits than religious ones. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Despite their belief that the Bible is the “Word of God”, compared to many other Christian groups are more likely to consider it non-literal. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">PART SIX: A Mormon Transhumanist Minority.</span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Throughout the data, we see a small minority: 4% that say they don’t take their religion seriously, 6% that believe in an impersonal god, 4% that reject miracles, 8% that say they attend church seldom or never, 4% that say the Bible is written by men, 13% who never read the Bible, 8% pray once per month or less, 5% say they have never had a prayer answered, 24% say they never “share” their faith, 4% don’t think their religion leads to eternal life, 3% believe the Church should fully embrace modern practices, 10% are “liberal” (versus conservative or moderate), 8% believe abortion should be legal in all cases. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">If a Mormon says: God is impersonal and I don’t talk to him — if I did pray to him he doesn’t answer prayers and miracles don’t exist; my religion isn’t that important to me, doesn’t lead to eternal life, and is based on a man made book that shouldn’t be taken literally, so I don’t read it and I don’t attend Church or tell people about my religion; and I fully believe we should adopt modern values (whatever we are considering those to be) — are they Mormon in a meaningful sense? Are their thoughts incompatible with reason and science, with transhumanism? </span></div><div><br></div><div>This would be probably 4% of the Mormon Church in the US — about 250,000 people. Why should we distrust them? The only thing you disagree on is their cultural artifact of identification with the label “Mormon”. </div><div><br></div><div>PART SEVEN: In Conclusion </div><div><br></div><div>Despite the appearance, I’m not actually stanning the Mormon Church. What I am suggesting is that if as much as 4% of Mormons in the US, a quarter of a MILLION people could potentially embrace a transhumanist viewpoint amid a worsening anti-intellectual climate, that we shouldn’t write it off or shun it automatically. </div><div><br></div><div>Given the state of affairs, the ideology needs as much help as it can get, people who will defend and support funding as well as those actually contributing the labor hours to that effort. </div><div><br></div><div>People don’t need to be perfect to be helpful. </div><div><br></div><div>And how many Extropian and transhumanist groups are there? Via self identification, how many people would say they are transhumanist or Extropian? How many people would even be familiar with these names? </div><div><br></div><div>I think it’s wrong to dismiss it out of hand. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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