<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">On Friday, February 28, 2020, 08:33:08 PM PST, John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" dir="ltr" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1" style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote: </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><a href="file:///var/tmp/com.apple.email.maild/EMContentRepresentation/com.apple.mobilemail/686CBC8F-5440-4A20-AC91-FA5DE4DF8343/DEC747B7-7AA1-4EA1-BBC3-BA0FDD5BAEB2.html#" class="_AppleShowQuotedContentButton" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div style="height: 49px !important; overflow: hidden !important;"><div preoffsettop="82" preoffsetheight="288"><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="82">On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:32 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="154"><blockquote type="cite">I’m not sure one will ever have the optimal time to dismantle the current system — <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="226"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="250">Well I'm sure the optimal time isn't during a worldwide pandemic, people are going to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="322">be stressed and panicked enough as it is without throwing that hairball into the mix,<br></blockquote></div></div><div class="button">Show Quoted Content</div><div style="height: 49px !important; overflow: hidden !important;"><div preoffsettop="82" preoffsetheight="288"><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="82">On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:32 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="154"><blockquote type="cite">I’m not sure one will ever have the optimal time to dismantle the current system — <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="226"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="250">Well I'm sure the optimal time isn't during a worldwide pandemic, people are going to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="322">be stressed and panicked enough as it is without throwing that hairball into the mix,<br></blockquote></div></div></a><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">So wait until next year. The issue has already been discussed for years and there are plans on how to dismantle the current system going back decades. It's not like this is new territory. And nations have before changed their monetary and banking systems -- almost always because of and even during crises. In fact, crises are usually the reason such systems are changed. Very rarely do they simply change because some academics said, 'Let's try this out.'</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div preoffsettop="706" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="706"><blockquote type="cite">in other words, if there’ll ever be a time it’ll be painless.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="754"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="778">There will never be such a time because the AI Singularity will happen first rendering<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="850">economic questions of that sort moot.<br></blockquote></div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Actually, you don't know that either there will be a AI Singularity or that it will render economic questions moot. There might not be one in the first place. But let's say there is. Then it might simply shift economic questions to a different arena depending on how it plays out. Whatever agents exist will still face economic problems -- in the general sense of economics being about action by agents who face choices because their goals exceed their means and they have imperfect knowledge and suffer under time (which are all kind of linked).</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In general, don't fall for the argumentum ad singularitatem: which is that any problem can be ignored simply by saying a technological singularity will render it meaningless.</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div preoffsettop="1402" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1402"><blockquote type="cite">It’s kind of like abolishing slavery. It’s going to cause disruption,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1450"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1474">Yeah, like the sort of disruption the Chicxulub Event caused.<br></blockquote></div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Not at all.</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div preoffsettop="1594" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1594"><blockquote type="cite">but that can’t be the go to argument against it.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1642"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1666">Oh I think it can be.<br></blockquote></div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Remember that next time you argue for any major change. To me it seems you have a double standard here.</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Regards,</span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span><br style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Dan</span></body></html>