<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">John you need to re-read the trolley problem. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:51 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><font size="4">If you want to do something drastic to end this virus nightmare there is something we could do that would be far more effective than waiting for herd immunity as well as being less ethically questionable, although I'm sure some would still clutch their pearls in horror, I<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">'m</span> referring to Human Challenge Trials. The idea is young healthy volunteers would be injected with a experimental vaccine (or a placebo) and then deliberately infected with the COVID-19 virus. This would dramatically speed up vaccine development and save many thousands, perhaps millions, of lives; not to mention stop the economy from collapsing into rubble. The death rate for young healthy people who get COVID-19 is only about 1.4 death<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">s</span> per 10,000 and the death rate for those who volunteer as kidney donors is 3 times that, we accept one as being ethical why not the other?</font><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">As one ethicist put it:</font></div><font size="4"><br><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span>This is the trolley problem where the fat man wants to jump knowing his chance of death is below 1% and our decision is whether to stop him.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></i></font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/united-states-should-allow-volunteers-be-infected-coronavirus-test-vaccines-lawmakers#" target="_blank">Should volunteers to be infected with coronavirus to test vaccines?</a></font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><font size="4"><a href="https://quillette.com/2020/05/01/human-challenge-trials-a-coronavirus-taboo/" target="_blank">Human Challenge Trials—A Coronavirus Taboo</a></font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default">John</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> K Clark</span></font></div></div>
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