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On 08/05/2020 21:04, Adrian Tymes wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:56 AM Ben Zaiboc via
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omitting data from the original body won't have any <br>
significant effect on an uploaded mind. Apart from vague
statements <br>
about the body contributing to our consciousness, or our
minds <br>
'extending into' the body, I've not heard of any evidence,
or convincing <br>
theory, to the contrary.<br>
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<div>A lengthy article about exactly this topic came across
my inbox just today. (I'm not sure if it's paywalled;
please let me know if you can't read it.)</div>
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Summary:<br>
Microbes prompt neuropod cells in the gut lining to stimulate the
vagus nerve, which connects directly to the brain. <br>
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More indirectly, microbes activate enteroendocrine cells in the gut
lining, which send hormones throughout the body. <br>
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Even more indirectly, gut microbes influence immune cells and
inflammation, which can affect the brain. <br>
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Yes, I'm familiar with the concept. The microbiome indirectly
provides another set of inputs to the brain. Doesn't change my
argument (all these things 'connect to' or 'affect' the brain. So do
our muscle spindles, pressure sensors in the skin, semi-circular
canals, etc., etc. It doesn't matter).<br>
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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the <span
class="js-about-item-abstr">coeliac plexus (solar plexus), which
is sometimes referred to as our 'second brain' (a wild
exaggeration, as it's nowhere near as large or complex as the
brain). It controls the digestive system, acting as a sub-brain,
in a similar way, as far as I understand, to the cerebellum does
with respect to movement (although not in its structure or
effective size). I very much doubt it's important for uploading,
though. I think that, as far as my solar plexus has contributed to
my personality, I'd be happy to have a 'standard model' version
substituted for my actual one in an upload.<br>
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I've not yet heard a single good reason why more than the brain is
needed for successful upldoading (when the information from the
brain is combined with a default virtual body model (which only
needs to be created once, then slight variations of it could be
made available to everyone), and the whole thing is provided with
a suitable virtual external environment (which we already have
many examples of)).<br>
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Ben Zaiboc</pre>
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