<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi Rose,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 7:24 PM Re Rose via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I also have described why I believe making a copy is not possible, and that a "good enough" copy is not "good enough" if your consciousness cannot access it.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with you. Everything is important to identity to me. For example, when I go to sleep at night, then wake up in the morning, there is no continuity of consciousness. To me, when I wake up in the morning, because of the discontinuity of consciousness, I am a bit of a different person, and I look forward to the day when these types of discontinuity can be overcome, so all of me can survive, more completely, with more continuity.</div><div><br></div><div>What do you think about the idea of a
<span id="gmail-docs-internal-guid-6deeaaa9-7fff-eeea-9b37-f39ba4665578"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0mAKz7eLRc&t=125s" style="text-decoration-line:none"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration-line:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">neural ponytail</span></a></span> as portrait in the movie avatar, which would enable 4 hemispheres of brains to computationally bind, like 2 hemispheres can. With such a setup, we could experience all (or at least as much as you wanted to share) of the feelings, not just half of them. In other words, you would be able to tell things like your partner's redness is like your grenness, because his conscious knowledge of the world could be redness/grenness inverted from yours.</div><div><br></div><div>Steven Lehar talks about our conscious knowledge as being like diorama in our brain, representing the world we see. At the center of this diorama, is our knowledge of our body, again, representing our real body. On the top of this, is our knowledge representing our head. Finally, inside of this head is our knowledge of our 'spirit' (or whatever you want to call it). It is represented as bing your identity, and is spatially represented as existing inside of your knowledge of your head, looking out of your knowledge of your eyes. Unlike all the other knowledge, this knowledge of your spirit doesn't have something outside of you brain that it represents. But that doesn't change the fact that it is something real, and objectively discoverable and observable.</div><div><br></div><div>If you had a neural ponytail, both of your dioramas could be merged into representing the space in front and behind you, so you could both be aware of stuff behind you, and so on, since you could effectively see out your partners eyes, along with your own. This could be engineered so your knowledge of your spirit could have an out of body experience. It could leave your knowledge of your head and fly between these two representations of the space in front of you, and behind you, and so on. This wold all work, even if your computationally bound knowledge of the world behind you was red/green inverted from your knowledge of the world in front of you, due to the fact that your partner was red/green qualia inverted from you.</div><div><br></div><div>I describe this kind of uploading in more detail, in my <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ybLgIbOSDu9-ye1wAu9B5RnCBuSVcIihtXrhtVWZajo/edit?usp=sharing">"1229 Years After Titanic"</a> fan fiction story. Starting in Chapter 5 "Expanding Spirit World".</div><div><br></div><div>I would wonder if this type of information, if proven possible via demonstrable engineering, would at least make uploading to a more advanced brain/body a little more acceptable, since as you describe it, in this case your "consciousness could access it"?</div><div><br></div><div>Brent</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>