<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">John, I want to hear from you when you are in such pain as to need an opiate. Your liver has no defense against and you will get high. A medical resident, who had never even had a beer, got his first access to opiates at the hospital. So he decided to see what it was like. His response "This is the way people should feel all the time. Just wonderful." So he got hooked, lost his medical career, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">This is not uncommon. I hope that someday there will be a genetic test to see who is going to get addicted to alcohol, opiates, or what not. This at least will give some warning. I got a warning: I drank bourbon and got angry - every time. Switched to vodka - no trouble. I was allergic to bourbon whisky. How many thousands of lives have been lost in bars when a person allergic like me got into knife fights, or went home and got a gun, and went after someone at the bar who had dissed him. This happens every single day of this world. I wish we had a test to show the person that his anger is an allergy, not a natural reaction. He drinks and gets angry at just nothing and someone dies for it, often him.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">It would be fairly challenging, I think to make your own opiates. But not so with alcohol. There is just no way to keep a determined person from making their own, from baker's yeast and dandelions if necessary. It would truly be awful and alcoholic. I have known people who strained white shoe polish through a loaf of bread and drank the alcohol that came out. The next time I checked on him (a black working with me at the railroad station) he was dead. Of course he could have died in a knife fight which he was always telling me about.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:46 AM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 23:14, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">My question was if laws against opiate use protect people from opiate addiction then why do we still have opiate addicts. The war on drugs doesn't seem to be going very well, I think it's time to call for an armistice.</font></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Maybe I misunderstood. I am in favor of eliminating all laws against pot, but opiates are a different story, as are many prescription drugs. bill w</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What about alcohol? It is probably at least as addictive and dangerous as some illicit and prescription drugs. Should it be banned again?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font size="4" face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"></font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:09 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:36 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"></blockquote><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>>> </span>Our laws now protect everyone. </font></i><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><blockquote style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></blockquote></blockquote><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>></span>Then why do drug addicts still exist?<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></span><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></blockquote></span></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>That, to me, is an astounding question.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></i></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">Those are the best sort.</font></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><i><font><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span></font>Have you ever had an opiate high?</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4">No<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">.</span></font><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> </font><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">> </font><i></i></span><i>Or any other kind? </i></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div><font size="4">I don't take happy pills, and I've never even had a marijuana high. <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have taken a few drinks in my life but I found that all it did was make me stupid (some would say it just made me stupider) so I cut that out.</span></font><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>If so, you must be able to see that some people,like me and alcohol, cannot moderate it,</i></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4">My question was if laws against opiate use protect people from opiate addiction then why do we still have opiate addicts. The war on drugs doesn't seem to be going very well, I think it's time to call for an armistice.</font></div></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">John K Clark</font></div></div></div>
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