<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Ja the argument claims that the prepared do better on the SAT, so it isn’t a fair test. Sheesh.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">You would have to live pretty far out in the boonies not to know that SAT prep was free all over the web. Me, I took the ACT. Context: you had to be in ROTC in 1960 - land grant college. So we marched here, filled out stuff, marched there, filled out stuff, etc. One of the things was the ACT. I marked answers at random and put my head down and took a long nap. Later college officials would look at my score, look at me, and ask how I got into Honors English. I think I made a 4 or something absurd (etymology of 'absurd' = away from the normal - I sure was).</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">As far as 'fair' is concerned, there aren't any fair tests. You can always come up with some cultural variable background and claim unfairness. But fair for most? Yes And only those who make low scores complain. High ones never do, though some did get high scores by chance. Very few, though.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">bill w</font></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:35 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_4024691834857268465WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Steinberg via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] sat scores and musical tastes<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Lol @ Spike discovering Sufjan Stevens XD<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Decade or two too late my friend <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😝</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Will hey, I have been busy the last decade or two: finishing up a career, then being a fulltime parent. {8^D <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am not alone: I can imagine plenty of music non-hipsters in our world today, who would like Sufjan Stevens if they ever heard of him. A lot of us play our own CDs in the car and we are too busy with other matters at home, so we don’t know the latest hip sounds on Americaaaaan Top Fortyyyyyyyy (is Casey Kasem still doing those? (no I suppose not (he would hafta be about 90 yrs old by now (but we loved that radio show.))))<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">If you want a good laugh: my car still has a cassette tape player and it still works really well. My cassettes are worn out so I don’t use them much now.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…SAT scores only show how prepared you are to take the SAT. Can be for a variety of reasons. Some very very smart people who I know also did not great on the SAT…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ja the argument claims that the prepared do better on the SAT, so it isn’t a fair test. Sheesh.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">OK cool, let’s look at it another way. Suppose we could (somehow) prevent anyone from preparing, so everyone went into the SAT cold. Then what would happen? Would the spread be smaller? Or just different? And why do we assume that there is some kind of class thing going on? My notion is that middle or lower middle class people are hungry but not too discouraged to try harder. So they are the ones who really put their shoulder into the test prep and do well. This would work against stratification of society with the same people generation after generation at the top, ja?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have vague doubts there was any serious research that went into the chart. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It would make for a fun sociology experiment to try to make a real chart like this. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I can see a problem with trying to correlate these: most people don’t remember their SAT scores unless they were extraordinary and on the right end of the spectrum.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Here it is:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.labnol.org/internet/music-taste-linked-to-intelligence/7489/" target="_blank">https://www.labnol.org/internet/music-taste-linked-to-intelligence/7489/</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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