<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">No need to fire them.<div><br></div><div>We have a good crew and as a crew we don’t tolerate it. We force them to work as hard as we do. </div><div><br></div><div>They can’t handle the stress. They quit.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:24 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I am not sure that there are rules crazier than that one. How many bad days does it take to fire them? bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">It’s not legal (per our insurance) for them to try the job.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">A couple of questions: is 'stupid' the same as unintelligent? 2 - who hired these bozos? I would think that they would have some kind of exercises where the applicant does what he will do on the job, and if people can't do what you said, they wouldn't have been hired.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">'Stupid' has a different connotation for me. To me it means knowing better but not doing better. I know that's not in the dictionary, but we need a word for the gap between knowledge and proper actions. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 3:50 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleBody" size="3"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">>…There will always be evidence of that baby you gave up for adoption, or what have you…<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleBody" size="3"> </font><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#000000" face="UICTFontTextStyleBody" size="3"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Not necessarily. In California and other places, we managed to get a ballot measure that allows anyone to hand over a baby without identification of the person, no attempt to identify, no paperwork, just go to the police station or fire station or hospital, hand over the baby, walk away, no questions asked. I don’t know why that took so long to get that law in place: it saves lives.</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><br><div dir="ltr">You misunderstand. Even with these laws there is some shred of evidence— a photo online, a hospital bill, etc that would always out you. If for some reason someone wanted to know if you had a baby, I feel quite certain they would find a way to know. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A woman can’t really “go help their aunt for a year on the farm”. Their husband couldn’t have “died in the war”, etc. there are ways to check.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Every year there are fewer jobs for true misanthropes. Loggers are no longer solitary. Trappers barely exist as most skins are farmed. Hunters are supplanted by commercial farms. Less fire-watch as there are less forests and more satellites. Small towns die and big cities explode. Manual jobs are supplanted by technology and service jobs.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">What do we do with all the stupid people? Is stupid a disability now? I ask because there are people who apply to work with me (fast food) who are literally too stupid to take orders, make desserts, and pour drinks. It’s crazy common.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">These are things I am very concerned about. Normal things are increasingly criminalized. I don’t find it to be a good thing. Being an asshole shouldn’t be illegal. Being stupid shouldn’t be illegal. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I really am concerned that when we are making and imaging the future that we’re only making spaces for people like ourselves or who we wish we were, and forgetting about everyone else. </div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 13, 2020, at 9:19 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>SR Ballard via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] facial recognition software<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">>…When one makes a mistake it can never be outrun. One cannot “go to the frontier” or “go into the wilds” or any such thing. One cannot take up a different name and live a different life, never to be reminded of their past… You can NEVER start over. Employers are legally required to dredge up your past even for fast food jobs. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I teach this to my scouts. In their world, there is no do-over. The age of accountability marches steadily back. Be careful what you post. I could forget finding a job with a clearance now because of what I have posted on ExI: a potential employer wouldn’t know me well enough to know most of what I post is to entertain the proletariat.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0in"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">>…There will always be evidence of that baby you gave up for adoption, or what have you…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Not necessarily. In California and other places, we managed to get a ballot measure that allows anyone to hand over a baby without identification of the person, no attempt to identify, no paperwork, just go to the police station or fire station or hospital, hand over the baby, walk away, no questions asked. I don’t know why that took so long to get that law in place: it saves lives.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…I don’t think that’s good. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SR Ballard<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It does make life complicated for those who go wrong in their early years, I will agree. I don’t know what to do about it: in its various forms, information technology keeps marching on.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>…<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:59 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">I see where Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM have started refusing to sell this software to police depts. until the issue is settled at the federal level.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">I am of two minds about that software: to some extent it keeps us safe by identifying perps for the cops to bring in.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">But it is also an invasion of privacy, and I think that outweighs the good usage above.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">bill w<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:59.1pt">_______________________________________________<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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