<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Mike, I’d say you came off extremely judgementally, and sounded as if you were preaching to someone about their “sin” of non-PC speech and general “thought crimes”. <div><br></div><div>You’re speaking in a way directly associated with “call out culture”, and it’s part of why that culture is regarded so poorly outside of activist culture. It’s incredibly abrasive.</div><div><br></div><div>I’m abrasive, generally, but I understand that and accept it. I don’t think the same is true of yourself.</div><div><br></div><div>You corrected him on “I vs they” when it didn’t need correcting, in the sense that he said what he meant. He didn’t say “we” because, as you can see from his reply, he did not mean “we”. He is intentionally distancing himself verbally. You can disagree with that, but that’s the fundamental truth of the situation.</div><div><br></div><div>Activists can say all they want about how people shouldn’t “tone police” but tone matters. </div><div><br></div><div>Not saying my tone was/is any better. But again, I accept that I am abrasive and understand when people react poorly to that.<br><br><div dir="ltr">SR Ballard</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Jun 15, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 4:45 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">The reason for 'them' and 'they' is that they are different from me in ways that are significant to me. Morally. Theirs is a different culture. And I don't want to be considered any part of it. I am not a part of the relativism movement in moral philosophy.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">It is a point that several black professors of national standing have made and said that blacks need to correct if they want to be regarded as equals. If you do not know what I am talking about, you are quite ignorant and you might want to fix that.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Another thing you might want to fix is preaching to me. I suggest you pick another person if you want to try to 'correct' their moral thinking.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I will, as always, continue to disregard their color and treat them as I will anyone else.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">This is the end of my part of this thread.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wow. I wonder if anyone else reading this thread would like to arbitrate?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I specifically directed "i vs you" to "we" so to subject could be less prone to being physically slighted. I just had this same conversation with my dad for how his use of language makes him sound racist and how that makes my wife immediately confrontational about it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Theirs is a different culture. Yours is a different culture. Mine is a different culture. Yours is the morally superior position. I'm ignorant, but have nothing to learn from the end of your part of this thread. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For anyone else that might explain how this thread could go so wrong in two replies... what is the nature of the difficulty here? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Was my point so poorly made that offense was the only way to react?</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div></div>
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